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Concerns about the new updates regarding bombs.

Discussion in 'Classes & Mechanics' started by Brilly, Aug 30, 2012.

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  1. Contrary

    Contrary The Audacious Paramount of Explosive Flight Donator Tester

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    What no that's not a fair point at all. Chopping wood gives you coins in addition to the wood you get. While the time you spend chopping can be exchanged for wood and coins, there is no real exchange rate between wood and coins or stone and coins (on vanilla servers).

    An analogous case would be if you sometimes cut your neighbour's lawn (woodcutting) and they would pay you $20 (20 coins) and they would also give you a tall glass of lemonade (120 wood). This in no way shows that a glass of lemonade is worth 20 bucks.
     
  2. Brilly

    Brilly Haxor

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    Out of curiosity, is there going to be a point where someone tells me whether my suggestion about a bomb taking out 2 spikes on either side is reasonable, or is the nitpicking over moot points going to continue?


    Cause I feel it's a very reasonable suggestion.
     
  3. Rayne

    Rayne ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ Administrator Global Moderator Forum Moderator Tester

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    I know, i only said that because i was tired and couldn't think of an arguement, sorry to have failed you oh great contrary master of time and space.

    Honestly i never said that was a bad idea, you just assumed it. I was only arguing that your logic is flawed, because no way in hell does 20 coins = 120 stone.

    LOL that's rich, you're the one that started it and carried it on, so can you stop?
     
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  4. allknowingfrog

    allknowingfrog Bison Rider

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  5. Contrary

    Contrary The Audacious Paramount of Explosive Flight Donator Tester

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    Brilly: I've been replying to you way more than is logically reasonable, but you have to understand that when we talk about hypothetical trivial tweaks to an obscure video game all that really matter is whether the arguments are sound.

    I sound like I'm making a big deal out of it but if you start letting nonsense fly there's no point to talking.
     
  6. Brilly

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    You get free stone instantly at the beginning of the game wise guy.

    About 200 stone on most vanilla servers.

    More than enough to make a decently sized spike pit. No time or energy is wasted if you start out with the stone necessary.

    Meanwhile, knights have to earn their coins to buy their bombs.

    You can be Contrary for the sake of being contrary all you like, but please don't spout nonsense about having a rational argument when you're using a flawed analogy yourself there buddy.

    If talking doesn't work for you, I'd be happy to demonstrate in game what reality is.
     
  7. ParaLogia

    ParaLogia tired Administrator Global Moderator Forum Moderator Tester Official Server Admin

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    You just completely abandoned your original point (that 20 coins = 120 stone)--which was completely flawed. Contrary was just disproving that.

    Time and energy are still used (not quite wasted), because you need to build it. It can take a while for builders to dig out a good sized pit and fill it with spikes (which is also why spike pits are not considered good traps). Of course, this takes place during build phase, but the other team should also be building during that time. Time used in build phase is still time. For a knight, all it takes to get 20 coins is to jab some enemies four times.

    I'll leave Contrary to respond to some of those more direct statements. And don't think that I'm just siding with him because I know him better. I'm simply pointing that your logic so far has been the most flawed.
     
  8. Hella

    Hella The Nightmare of Hair Global Moderator Donator Tester

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    Brilly, don't talk such bullcrap. Contrary is talking no nonsense; in fact, currently he is talking more sense than you.

    You have been nothing but rude to those who have been trying to provide a different point of view to you; the fact is, this update was thought out quite carefully, and, at this time, only one person is actually "nitpicking over moot points". Think about what you are posting, man!

    The build time is irrelevant to the conversation that has developed, because it is an exception to the rule! You have been talking about 20 coins being equal to 120 wood, for they are earned in the same time through the same pursuit; however, your latest point means that, since we get free wood at the beginning, wood is worth nothing, which in turn means stone should be worth nothing, along with every over resource.

    You cannot base an argument on exceptions; they are exceptions for a reason, because they are not governed by the general rule, and so they cannot be involved in a conversation about the general rule!
     
  9. Brilly

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    No, I clearly said, "Ok, A bomb costs 20 coins which equals 120 wood" which is clearly true.


    You guys just had a problem with equating 120 wood to 120 stone, which I can understand.

    It was a rough estimate that you guys just had to nitpick on, distracting from my earlier point.

    But hey, we all know that a good spike pit is situated right next to a tower, which the builders should be working on anyway; this isn't time wasted.
    </br>--- merged: Sep 8, 2012 11:27 PM ---</br>



    Oh really? I'm rude?


    Here is Contrary's first post to the thread.


    He sure doesn't sound overly defensive, does he?
     
  10. ParaLogia

    ParaLogia tired Administrator Global Moderator Forum Moderator Tester Official Server Admin

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    No. You didn't. And twenty coins do not equal 120 wood. It's not anyone's fault if you can't see the reasonable logic that Contrary is presenting for you. You get 20 coins WHILE getting 120 wood. That does not make them equal!

    The time it takes for a good knight to get twenty coins is not long. He just needs to find some enemies (time depends on the server) and score four hits. Meanwhile, a builder gets 120 stone with sixty hits of stone blocks (regular non-thick blocks). That is most certainly not equal.

    I specifically said it wasn't "wasted". And your logic is again majorly flawed. It's like saying: Hey, everyone knows that a house needs furniture. Therefore, when we're done building the house, putting furniture inside doesn't take any extra time. (Okay, I'm not good at analogies.) The point is, the actual process of adding the spike pit still takes time. You can't just disregard that. In the time one team may spend digging a spike pit, the other may be creating more towers.
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    No, he doesn't. You do.
     
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  11. KnightGabe13

    KnightGabe13 Arsonist

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    Ahh, memories. This reminds me of Noc's thread. It got locked because his ears were closed.

    Dat boss-post.
     
  12. Brilly

    Brilly Haxor

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    Like I said before, I'd be happy to demonstrate in game what reality is.

    Pick any server you'd like.

    Why waste time talking when I can show you.
     
  13. ParaLogia

    ParaLogia tired Administrator Global Moderator Forum Moderator Tester Official Server Admin

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    Uh, how? Playing better than us? That won't show us anything.

    Sorry if my line of thought is completely off, but I don't understand.
     
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  14. Hella

    Hella The Nightmare of Hair Global Moderator Donator Tester

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    My friend, let me disect and translate Contrary's post for you, since you find it so hard to understand English.


    Now, if that seems particularly defensive to you, then you need to turn on your sensible, perceptive cap, and prepare a friendly response that is not absurd.
     
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  15. Brilly

    Brilly Haxor

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    Have fun circle jerking guys, I'll be waiting for a response from Contrary, who is completely capable of speaking for himself.
     
  16. KnightGabe13

    KnightGabe13 Arsonist

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    Translation: I'm not listening to anybody except Contrary! LALALALALA!!! (stuck fingers in ears)
     
  17. Brilly

    Brilly Haxor

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    You wanna talk to me seriously?

    Do it in PM.

    Otherwise, don't disrupt the discussion.
     
  18. Hella

    Hella The Nightmare of Hair Global Moderator Donator Tester

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    If you want to talk only to Contrary, take it to a pm. Last time I heard, this was a public forum, and you posted a public thread for everyone to contribute. If you don't like us talking to you about this, because you don't appreciate us supporting someone speaking, just say it. I hadn't noticed a circlejerk going on, at least not by me and ParaLogia.

    Do you want to fulfill the purpose of this thread, and talk about the topics you've brought up, or would you like us simply to stop contributing to your public discussion?


    Well. Ninja'd.
     
  19. GloriousToast

    GloriousToast Haxor Donator

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    from your reasoning bombs should at most destroy 12 spikes. i disagree they should destroy at least 4 or at most 6 spikes as from your reasoning 1 chop = 6 wood or 2 stone or 4 stone and 1 gold so after gathering 64 stone or 40 stone you would get 20 gold that is if you want to be truly equivalent
     
  20. ParaLogia

    ParaLogia tired Administrator Global Moderator Forum Moderator Tester Official Server Admin

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    I actually sort of preferred the ability for bombs to destroy spike pits, but you flagrant lack of logical reasoning attracted me to the thread. It's funny when people like you refuse to accept that they're simply wrong, claiming that others are "circlejerking" and the sort.
     
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