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Months without any new items in game.

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by flipperz, Dec 5, 2012.

  1. flipperz

    flipperz Shopkeep Stealer

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    Now I know this stuff takes time, but we've had so much promised stuff. And we haven't received any of it. I Don't need anyone saying posting this will not make devs add it quicker, but It will sure motivate them.

    We were promised boats before summer. its now coming halfway past winter.

    We were promised fire almost a year ago. a no go.
    We were promised More customization's almost a year ago. still a no go.
    we were promised farming a few months ago. no go.

    The list can go on. I just want acknowledgement from one of the devs about a time frame. because we've received no estimation of when Even one of our promised updates will be implemented.
     
  2. BlueLuigi

    BlueLuigi :^) Forum Moderator Donator Tester

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    I could literally write a fucking book on this, and I could fill half of with shit I personally asked for and was told we'd get cause they weren't hard and how long I've waited, but I'll instead just tell you this:

    Some of it will probably come out as they make it, but only in the new KAG, not classic. The rest well,probably going to be left for you to mod it in yourself, that's pretty much all there is to it, I'm sure this thread will be revived after new KAG is out though for a reason or two.
     
  3. GreenRock

    GreenRock Base Burner

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    This thread is ironic.
     
  4. Geti

    Geti Please avoid PMing me (poke a mod instead) THD Team Administrator Global Moderator

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    >We were promised boats before summer.
    When? We've made it abundantly clear since posting any old "estimates" why everything is taking "so long"; we're completely reworking the game. The old screenshots of boats and whatnot were in a hybrid build without scripted actors. If we just released that, it would not have been extensible at all and would not have been balanced, and would be just another thing to maintain in classic, which would slow down scripting development.

    >Give timeframe
    Every time we give a timeframe and something goes wrong, a shitstorm ensues.
    We'd very much like to have something out this year, and are working hard towards that goal, but in case we don't make it, we don't want to promise to avoid letting people down.

    >Why no new items
    Because if we add something to classic, it has to be ported to the scripting build, which means we have to spend time implementing it twice, which means it takes twice as much of our time.

    Telling us "your promised us stuff and I hate you" isn't motivating.
    Us posting something on the devlog isn't a promise that you're going to get it, nor is it a promise that its coming soon. Its us showing you what we're working on so you know we're working.

    Here are some promises:
    Fire is not happening in classic kag.
    Boats are not happening in classic kag.
    Farming is not happening in classic kag.
    No new items are happening in classic kag.

    For some reason the constant classic updates attract negative attention because they dont have new items. New items for classic are not and have not been on the table for a long time, because we're working on the scripting build so we can get it to you asap.

    I don't know why you expect new items in classic when we've said we're not working on new content for it. We're working on the scripting build, because that is the future of kag.
     
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  5. Fellere825

    Fellere825 KAG Guard Tester

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    I was promised about a year ago that pirates, ninjas, boats, hoes, and a Shadlington stripper cake would be fixtures added to the game... Alas these promises never came into fruition...
     
  6. Consider this, Flipperz.

    The devs are making a game. All they can do is work on it, and they work bloody hard. Some tasks have priorities, others do not. Items are not the largest priority. A working engine is a higher priority.
     
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  7. BlueLuigi

    BlueLuigi :^) Forum Moderator Donator Tester

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    As much as people take this lightly, there was indeed a problem around this time with a lot of things thrown around that were made to look as if they were being worked on, and perhaps they were, but they were never actually shown or anything, hell as we all know look how long zombies took, who knows when WAR mode will be out (and those classes), boats and such, fire and such.

    This is really the kind of topic that should be looked at now and brought up again when 'scripting is out' to gauge what people think towards scripting v classic.
     
  8. Filystyn

    Filystyn Bison Rider

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    Funny, I thinked about it recently and i came to conclusion. That if this what is KAG at the moment would never changed even a bit. I would still play this game and love it. ;>

    I mean by this - i don't expect any more updates. It's ok without them.

    They only thing realy annoying at this moment is that this game crushes like hell. What did not happened in past so often.
     
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  9. Fate

    Fate Studying seashells

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    I'm actually surprised the OP isn't giving shit about the overworld plans being scrapped.
     
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  10. thebonesauce

    thebonesauce All life begins and ends with Nu Staff Alumni
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    The best part about this whole thing is I'm wondering how many servers the OP (flipperz) will actually be able to play on considering he's been banned time and again for griefing and overall negativity ingame.
     
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  11. flipperz

    flipperz Shopkeep Stealer

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    Was not aware of you making a new kag, Any plans to keep this 'classic' version of kag open to all? sort of what minecraft does.
    and i never expect to get items added to a classic version, but with all these 'improvements' lately happening to a classic kag annoy's me because it feels like you're not working on 'new kag' and you're just adding these 'builds' to annoy people (personal feelings.) I personally love kag, the idea, the game play is excellent, the forums is well thought out, and i love the real world physics. but it can get old at times, I'll say this to make sense. You can play with a toy for a certain amount of time, but soon it will get boring. untill you stop playing with it for a while and get the urge to play with it again. and so on.

    Also anyone else when they bought gold think they were getting fire. wood. customization. and more range weapons which were in game.

    Devs should have put 'these will be added soon to kag for gold players' rather than just dominating the bottom of the screen and leaving us with a sad surprise lol
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    lol I'd personally see no point in over world. :/
     
  12. Hella

    Hella The Nightmare of Hair Global Moderator Donator Tester

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    Classic is staying as it is now, but Premium is the new one.

    Also, they never said those things were immediate, just upcoming possible features. If I recall, it was written in quite large letters.
    And then it proceeds to tell you things that are planned, but not necessarily concrete.
     
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  13. Cirom

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    The improvements are to make KAG Classic playable and proper before the update comes out, with much better server support (Spectator / Reserved Slots and Remote RCON =D) and probably for the devs to say "We're not dead!" to those who don't read the devlog.

    I believe KAG Classic is the only version Free players will be able to play, while KAG Classic and the new KAG Gold (not sure what to call it) will be two versions for the Premium players.

    Personally, I would hate it if they closed down Classic, unless Free players could play the new Gold EXE. :< (Though, they'd still have the same restrictions as Classic)
     
  14. BlueLuigi

    BlueLuigi :^) Forum Moderator Donator Tester

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    Neato, another thing I can answer:
    1)Yes, this version of KAG or KAG Classic, is for the non-premiums as you can see it, and will be available as it is until the unforeseeable future
    2)The 'improvements' to classic KAG are us pros nagging them to fix what they left as poop due to small things that keep messing up, as you may have noticed dropping on people's heads super bugged for one, and us getting them to add in those little last additions of things that are very small (can be done in under an hour) that will be fixes to the game basically
    3)KAG as it was would never get boring, if you were bored of old KAG that's you being someone who gets easily bored of things, not KAG being bad. I used to play KAG 16+ hours a day every day for months, I would literally wake up and play KAG hop on mumble, more KAG, eat a meal or two a day, sleep 2-6 hours a day and back on KAG, it was that fucking good. Kept being small things that moved it farther from this, the problem was that it would take about 1-3 months for us to see a new 'feature', and in that time it would be stupid shit removed and added because of spaghetti code. This is the reason for 'new KAG' or 'Scripting KAG', whatever you want to fucking call it, because they are fighting to move forward with code from old KAG.
    4)If they said they'd have them 'soon' you guys would still be saying soon, that said there is a duality problem here as I've long said and that is simple.

    A)A good deal of those things either won't be added or will be a long while off STILL (unless made by players)
    B)They'll never hit KAG classic, this will be important in later discussions as you notice how DIFFERENT 'Premium KAG'(PKAG) is from 'Classic Kag'(CKAG), and how this will effect people's reactions towards the general KAG changes but as well as 'promised features'.

    The problem here of course is again that at least back then all of these things were listed as "What you get when you buy Premium" instead of "What we'll be trying to work on and you MIGHT get when you buy Premium", as you see Overworld was already removed from that list :p

    You'll see all of those other things, just not in CKAG, and perhaps you may like PKAG, you might like CKAG more, who knows, but the bad news is these things will never hit CKAG, just PKAG. :(
    Gold players can't play the new KAG exe, in fact there was a problem with restricting free players from certain things which is a reason for the separate exe.

    Please refrain from ad hominem, it does nothing but hurt the entire conversation and mostly you for using it.
     
  15. toffie0

    toffie0 is sweeter than you <3 Global Moderator Forum Moderator Tester

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    Everyone's opinions ate different but, there is a lot of people that will keep on playing Kag regardless of how many updates get put into the classic version. On a gold server my team built a tower out of wood and ladders and put many lanterns on it, we called it the light tower, it was the only defense blocking the opposite team from getting our flag, the whole tream was very happy that fire wasnt in the game yet because it would ruin our marvelous tower. Just be pationt and keep calm, the Dev's are trying their best, to get it out as soon as possible with a working game, and many updates.
     
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  16. flipperz

    flipperz Shopkeep Stealer

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    As i said i love kag, but it does get boring after playing it for so long. same as terraria. a dead game. (no longer developing it.) thats why it's important to add new content now and again. or even event items (xmas. h'ween. easter- even if its just an event head or something.) .. something to keep people interested. kag is good, but after a while you just start seeing patterns.
     
  17. You think it's that easy... You've got another thing coming. Put your self In the developers position. There are only two working on this game and how the fuck would you feel if you had someone complaining about not enough stuff in the game. If you think it is boring simply don't play. Give them bloody time!
     
  18. thebonesauce

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    You can call it ad hominem if you want Bluigi, I call it ridiculousness since it's a guy who griefs and plays the game for all the wrong reasons, then complains that nothing new is implemented.
     
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  19. Downburst

    Downburst Mindblown Global Moderator Forum Moderator Donator Tester

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  20. BlueLuigi

    BlueLuigi :^) Forum Moderator Donator Tester

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    I called it what it was, ad hominem, you are ignoring his point simply because you disagree with the person, you throw his point aside.

    Be happy they didn't simply abandon the game midupdates without anything?

    I'll never understand this philosophy people have towards indie games personally "Be happy they didn't just quit" :p
     
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