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The Classic Shield Ladder

Discussion in 'Suggestions & Ideas' started by Duplolas, Nov 28, 2013.

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  1. Duplolas

    Duplolas So Sad

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    I feel like a lot of the teamwork element of KAG has been lost in the transition to Classic to Current.

    If you ever played classic, one of my all time favorite moments would be when my team would all run up to a tower and shield ladder our way up and over it. It something that I really miss.

    The destruction of buildings basically has become nothing but chance. One lucky knight gets enough gold to buy a keg and then has to bounce his way through the hordes of enemies, and if he is just lucky enough, he might make it half way across and then blow himself up with one or two enemies or teammates. Builders really don't have anything to do with offensive attacks anymore.

    If you haven't noticed, builders on the front-lines have turned into a kind of mythical creature that only can be seen when a blue moon occurs, the planets align, and it is a Monday morning. So even if it was one of those special days, it would be a Monday morning so it would suck. Wait. What was I talking about again? Oh right.

    Knights need to be Bros again.

    What I mean by this is that because the offensive builder is long dead, knights need more ways to work together to get to their goal. It has become too lone wolf oriented. Kegs have become the only way to get what you need which is really stupid in my opinion.

    What I think fixes this is re-adding the Shield Ladder feature that existed in Classic. Currently you can only quickly climb up on one other knight's shield and jump. There is no way to form a multi-knight ladder.

    So let me end this post with a question.

    How many times have you been at an enemy tower just sitting around waiting for something to happen? Where all you can do is hope and pray for someone with a keg to come and break down the tower. Or the whole blue moon, planets align, Monday thing.

    I can bet that the answer will be "A lot".
     
  2. Sponncx

    Sponncx Builder Stabber

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    Definitely agree, would prevent the lots of stone door slashing that knights spend their time doing.
     
  3. Duplolas

    Duplolas So Sad

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    Oh god that is the worst. I cringe everytime I see some knight doing that.
     
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  4. Invaders

    Invaders Shark Slayer

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    Thats been in the game for a while now, I literally did it like 5 minutes ago.
     
  5. Sponncx

    Sponncx Builder Stabber

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    Im pretty sure he means the classic mode, where knights could literally stack ontop of eachother and make a ladder, not just a quick hop.
     
  6. Crabmaster

    Crabmaster Bison Rider
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    Wait doesn't holding up and shielding upward still do this? I thought it did...if not I wonder how I was able to make a knight ladder the other day...

    Though I think there are plenty of ways to get over buildings currently, you were making some good points about lack of builders on the battlefields...like really...I miss that classic thing more than I do knight ladders! Odd how it feels like the game needs more front-line builders but most of the time I bring it up the longtime players say the game doesn't...
     
  7. Duplolas

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    Bombs in Classic couldn't get you half as high as you can now. Buildings were also much taller and maps much larger.

    Shield Laddering still exists in Current, but you can only hop off a teammate's shield. You can't use it as a ledge to stand on.
     
    Last edited: Nov 28, 2013
  8. Auburn

    Auburn Prepare Yourself! Forum Moderator Staff Alumni Donator Tester
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    Laddering seems more clunky in steam release. I just recently tried to do it in a game with yagger and areo, but it didn't work nearly as well as it did in classic, so we didn't get anywhere, but if we had tried more, we probably could have done it.

    What is good for teamwork is how everyone can climb arrows. It means an archer can make a fast ladder for other classes to get up when a builder isn't around. The only problem is that steam people don't seem to know about it, and when I told an archer to aim higher on the wall so I could climb up it..........he started firing arc shots..... *facepalm*
     
  9. Duplolas

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    Im pretty sure they way laddering works currently is the same way that archers climb trees. You can get to the top, but you have to keep pressing up to stay up. That's why you can't form an actual ladder, the moving keeps you from being able to.

    In classic it was more that your body was a actual ladder, except you looked like a knight. You actually could stand on the shield as if it was a ledge.
     
  10. Auburn

    Auburn Prepare Yourself! Forum Moderator Staff Alumni Donator Tester
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    I think knights are still ladders, it's just that knights move faster now, and when you accidentally move too far off of the knight's shield, you start shield gliding, which is a lot floatier (yeah, it's not a word, whatever) than it was in classic. It still works, it's just really weird
     
  11. Duplolas

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    I guess we just need to test it really quick and determine if it still is there or not.

    If it is still there, I think it should, like you said, be changed to be less weird.
     
  12. Geti

    Geti Please avoid PMing me (poke a mod instead) THD Team Administrator Global Moderator

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    While you _really_ need to start testing things before declaring they're missing and need to be re-added...

    I'm actually thinking of just making knights able to literally jump off each other when they come from above and the other guy is shielding up - this would allow 'ladders' of knights without the annoyance of them actually being a ladder. There's nothing more annoying than getting slowed down by a teamie. I feel like jumping off sheilds as if they're solid would be significantly more intuitive than "climbing" the teamie as well.
     
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  13. steve_jobs

    steve_jobs Bison Rider

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    wha...
    That is kinda what the thread is about.
    I agree btw.
     
  14. Duplolas

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    I tested it in game this morning.

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    We were able to do that after a good 10 seconds of maneuvering up and down. As you can see, you can't stand on top of the shield because getting to highest part of the ladder causes you to jump off.

    The problem with this is that it took us 10 seconds for each of us to get half way up as high as we could to form a 3 person ladder. We also were not in combat as you can see.

    The suggestion now is not to put it in the game again, but to fix the clunkiness of it all.

    Also I understand what you are saying Geti. Proposing to have the shield as a ledge rather than the entire knight being climbable. Its a good idea, but I think it wouldn't work as well.
     
  15. buff knights' vertical travel when they can slash jump, glide up, bomb jump, and climb arrows

    makes perfect sense to me
     
  16. Auburn

    Auburn Prepare Yourself! Forum Moderator Staff Alumni Donator Tester
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    wow, I've never seen any readings that high on my sarcasm meter!
     
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  17. Saigon

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    Exactly - we just got the update so other classes could climb arrows too, making the archer a bit more useful! Hm.. What do we need now.. Ah! Of course! We need to make the Knights even more capable of doing this on their own
     
  18. Invaders

    Invaders Shark Slayer

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    I vote we give Knights the ability to noclip, and have lightsabers. Archers are WAY OP right now guys.
     
  19. Nighthawk

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    And I've never seen sarcasm so properly applied.

    Since you failed to post an actual rebuttal, I'm going to assume that you don't have one.
    Knights don't need another vertical movement buff. End of story. If you can't get up a tower, you were ill-prepared, and the tower is doing its job.

    People seem to think that if there's an obstacle they can't easily surpass, the game should change to make it easier. Wrong.

    Think of the poor Builders, people. Their buildings are already getting bombjumped over, grappled up, blown to bits by bombs, bomb-arrows and kegs, and shredded by siege weaponry.

    There are plenty of ways to get past a wall. We don't need an even easier one.
     
  20. Duplolas

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    The point is that the feature is in the game. If something is in the game that ins't working the way it should be, it either needs to be updated so that it works well and correctly or remove it.

    Instead of posting sarcastic, off topic posts that do nothing to help discuss the idea, how bout actually being useful. If you think there is no use for it in-game anymore, say that instead of being rude and disrespectful.

    Also @Nighthawk, just because I don't reply right away, doesn't mean I don't have an argument against it. Don't assume, especially since it is Thanksgiving, that because I didn't post right afterwards that I am just utterly stunned by what everyone has said, and thus can't post.
     
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