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Noburu · Mar 8, 2014

BlueLuigi · Mar 8, 2014

kedram · Mar 8, 2014

i like the idea on the ballista, thx for archer changes ;3, i see why keg needs to stay, i meant litteral water not water ammo.

Rayne · Mar 8, 2014

right, i've removed the water from the upside down map and will use less water on future maps

Rayne · Mar 8, 2014

UPDATE:

New quarters: Heal over time for all blobs inside, dont cost anything yet, but it only heals 1/4th heart each time to balance this, will try to implement the old classic mechanics later

Archer changes: 2 heart full charge attack, no grapple, 3 hearts

Fire spreads slower

Gold Exchange shop: buy 1 gold for 10 coins, this is to help come back even if your team mates waste the gold

Nursery for trees.

Doors no longer need support.

New gimmicky maps: thanks to @amuffinattack

Noburu · Mar 8, 2014

Rayne said: ↑

UPDATE:

New quarters: Heal over time for all blobs inside, dont cost anything yet, but it only heals 1/4th heart each time to balance this, will try to implement the old classic mechanics later

Archer changes: 2 heart full charge attack, no grapple, 3 hearts

Fire spreads slower

Gold Exchange shop: buy 1 gold for 10 coins, this is to help come back even if your team mates waste the gold

Nursery for trees.

Doors no longer need support.

New gimmicky maps: thanks to @amuffinattack
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Auburn · Mar 8, 2014

Rayne said: ↑

Archer changes: 2 heart full charge attack, no grapple, 3 hearts
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but in classic, didn't archers have 2 hearts, and knight's slashes and archer arrows only did 1.5 hearts?

Mazey · Mar 8, 2014

Rayne said: ↑

you can have fun like the previous spiderman thread.
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BanakaI1 · Mar 8, 2014

Also make sure to make ballista bolts (the kind you load into your ballista) purchasable. Because right now the amount of bolts in the ballista isn't enough to buy it if it doesn't let you spawn there.

Noburu · Mar 8, 2014

SPIDERMAN SPIDERMAN DOES WHAT EVERY SPIDER CAN!

Mazey · Mar 8, 2014

Noburu · Mar 8, 2014

BlueLuigi · Mar 8, 2014

Q · Mar 8, 2014

things that rustle my jimmies:
-physics go crazy when builder RMB clicks ground and walks
-physics go batshit insane when characters go uphill
-you can attach blocks to ladders which is pretty dumm (but i guess that ladders having 2 health kind of balances it out)

on the kidney map, red has 2 flags 10 tiles in front of the tent, one next to each other. blue has one flag those 10 tiles away and the other one right on the tent.

Mazey · Mar 8, 2014

hello Q, i will try fixing this tonight. please stay tuned :)

Rayne · Mar 8, 2014

Auburn said: ↑

Correct me if I'm wrong, but in classic, didn't archers have 2 hearts, and knight's slashes and archer arrows only did 1.5 hearts?
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archers in default had 3 hearts 1.5 attack

on action unlimited they had 2 hearts 2 attack, think of this as a merging of the two

WarrFork · Mar 9, 2014

good stuff, got fun games on it and that thread sounds like a spiderman memes/drama/fuckers complaining about their bans/hitting on arkrave aka the old action thread when classic was a thing? this is fucking awesome, i couldnt ask for better, i was missing all this shit

Noburu · Mar 9, 2014

WarrFork said: ↑

good stuff, got fun games on it and that thread sounds like a spiderman memes/drama/fuckers complaining about their bans/hitting on arkrave aka the old action thread when classic was a thing? this is fucking awesome, i couldnt ask for better, i was missing all this shit
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Same, I had a lot of fun playing last night. I havent had actual fun playing KAG in over a year. In order to kick start some banning drama i shall quote from the following thread: https://forum.kag2d.com/threads/why-banning-is-fuktarded.19249/

BEGIN DRAMA! Click the longer quotes to expand them if you care to read it all.

johnnyTree said: ↑

Ok, so I used an incisive title to get your attention.

POINT IS, greifing is a major prob on KAG, so that banning players has become a norm, whereas for most online games banning doesn't exist. Why is KAG different and how do we allow users to enjoy the game for which they paid while keeping an ordered game?

ADMINS: Please recognize that an unruly game is the result of the KAG inbuilt game rules and not bad players. The same players in KAG also play many other online games, yet they are not banned from those, why?

THE ENTIRE CONCEPT of griefing and banning needs to be changed to remove the stress from the admins. Also, admins need to recognize the nature of this game, stop eternal bans, and opt for simply kicking the offending player. While "forever" bans are a prerogative of the admin, they should never be used for a simple one time greifing offense.

Some of the following suggestion require changes in the KAG game itself, while other suggestions concern admin attitudes about reffing KAG games.

1) TEAM SWITCHING AND GRIEFING: Admins should not have to figure out which players have team switched and are now greifing. Once a user is on a team, then KAG should not allow that user to switch teams until the game ends or the user is auto-balanced.

2)INTER-TEAM REBUILDING: Admins shouldn't have to judge which users are the best builders. Large format destroying of a teammate's build is griefing, despite which user has the "best" idea on how to do things. (this excludes removing a few blocks of other players)

3) GREIFING IS NOT THE END OF THE WORLD: The inbuilt KAG rules force admins to make judgment calls on greifing. While kicking the offending player solves the problem, "forever bans" are simply beyond the scope of an admin to deprive a user of playing a game for which he paid real world money.

4) FOREVER BANS? It's just a game guys, and admins shouldn't have to decide whether a player should be banned on only his server, or be banned on every server. While admins have the right to control their own server, to mark a player in a way that stops him from playing on most servers is, frankly, way too serious, and makes things much more personal than needed. KAG needs to remove that admin option ASAP. I think most admins would be relieved by that change.

[There's a few more things I'll post later, but a man has to work]
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Galen said: ↑

Okay so, there have been multiple threads like this already (on steam's community hub as well I think), but I'll reply to your since you seem to have some slight misunderstandings here and there.

First off, I'll be using the term "permaban/s" whilst there are no real bans in the game anymore (which could be enforced by the devs). There is a account flag system in charge of flagging/tagging/marking someone's account if he did something bad (e.g. hacking, griefing, abusing, etc.).

To 1): Switching teams and griefing on said team to provide an advantage for the other team has happened so often that people just pay attention to people who seem suspicious. A good admin is most likely never going to stalk someone who just swapped to balance out teams.

To 2): Again, a good admin is not going to jump to conclusions and should probably ask people what's up before he/she does anything against people who seem to be suspicious/malicious towards their own team.

To 3): Players paid for the game, not for the servers which are run by private people (except the official ones, ofc). Hosts are free to let their admins do whatever the heck they want on said servers. Besides, griefers won't get permanently banned the first time they got reported.

To 4): What admins are you talking about? Server admins can only ban people on servers they've got the power/permission to do so, and guards are technically no admins. And as I said above already, server admins are free to do whatever they feel like / what the server's host allows them do to. From what you've said I assume you're talking about guards (https://forum.kag2d.com/threads/the-royal-guard-frequently-asked-questions-public-policy.1714/). I can't tell you all too much about what the other guards do, but I only "stalk" "serious" people like hackers all over the place. They broke the ToS they agreed on upon the moment they started playing with a hack running in the background and that's why we're trying to, well I guess you could say "take them down".

I really don't know what the "good" servers these days are, but I guess you should just go around and check some different places out, I heard there are servers which actually have good admins these days ('dem badmins).

Last but not least, I'd like to suggest you to use something called the "search function". Really. It exists.

Some people say it's capable of creating miracles!
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Mazey said: ↑

what is greifing
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Sir_Walter said: ↑

you would know grefin haxxoor
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Duplolas said: ↑

Nothing can be done to KAG to keep greifers from doing what they do, simple as that.

You can't create a new vote kick system because there is literally no way to do it without it being abused or players not being punished for what they have done.

You can try to implement a system where if a person breaks X amount of team-made blocks it somewhere along the lines of bans them for griefing, but that doesn't work well as it was tried in Classic. It was tried many different ways. Many many many different ways. None worked well.

You could recruit more admins, but that is up to the server owners for the most part.

And the whole reason why

is a thing, is because most of the other games are nothing like KAG.

And even games that are somewhat similar to KAG like Minecraft or Terraria can't even be compared to the greifing issue with KAG. All of their servers are privately run. There are no official servers.

So essentially, nothing can be done besides more admins being recruited. Only official server admins are under our control. The rest is up to server owners.
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Superblackcat said: ↑

YFW There isn't any Game Bans...

YFW Most bans come from Server Admins. Guess what, those Servers are their property, Not even KAG's property, they can do whatever the fuck they want with it. (To an extent). Server Host could ban you because he doesn't like your head, because He owns the server.
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Also cant make a post without a funny pic:

Q · Mar 9, 2014

-why the fuck do archers have 3 hearts? archers in classic were a retarded, easy to play class with infinite stalling and spamming in CQC possibilities. Now they got additional heart which makes them even fucking harder to kill (3 jabs from knight instead of 2, 6 hits from builder instead of 4). Really you already gave them fucking special ammo which is super strong (bomb arrows nukes hello) and they also got a health buff. retarded

-combined with bombjumping being shit, welcome to the land of archer domination

-what's up with random people having custom heads that looks like they were made in Microsoft.Paint by an elementary school student?

obligatory spider-man:

Rayne · Mar 9, 2014

ill buff bombjumping and we'll see how that plays out, if archers are still too powerful after that and i finish their shield dropping mechanic, we'll drop their health to 2 again.

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