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Forum Kouji Report of Abuse

Discussion in 'Forum, wiki and other THD pages' started by Duplolas, Jun 16, 2014.

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  1. Duplolas

    Duplolas So Sad

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    So on Friday of this week, a thread entitled "Breaking of Fire Arrows", was deleted.

    Why, you may ask, is that such a big deal? Well I will tell you. In the 480+ threads made in the suggestion category, this is the first ever. EVER. Thread I have seen deleted. Why you may ask? Well, it is because I insulted an admin who then listed his opinion which he thought would have unanimous backing but didn't.

    You may think, "Oh man, it must have been so garbage of an idea then." Nah man. It had 50/50 support.

    The only remaining question is... Wait for it... WHY?

    Well I will tell you.

    Badmins.

    Badmins are a race of admins who get power hungry with the insignificant amount of power they actually have and abuse it. For. You see. I was once the biggest badmin of them all, which is why I know a badmin when I see one.

    Don't believe me? Go to Xenogamer.org and ask about me. :wink:

    I'll make this short.

    Now, that is deep in my past. I was 14-15 when I was made division leader of over 100 players on top of being an admin of 8 different CS:S servers, and moderator of 3 TF2 servers. Since then I dropped my balls and man'd up. Joined a new community. Boosted their TF2 servers up into the top 10 highest rated/played TF2 servers at the time. So I have changed quite a bit.

    So to move on from that. I present you with this. A short list of threads that have problems wrong with them, some that were dealt with, some that weren't.

    THESE ARE ONLY FROM THE FIRST 5 PAGES OF THE SUGGESTION CATEGORY

    Threads locked for asking for something already discussed / breaking general suggestion rules:

    https://forum.kag2d.com/threads/bombs-nerf-please.20486/
    https://forum.kag2d.com/threads/gib-removal.20389/
    https://forum.kag2d.com/threads/press-space-bar-to-stop-firing-arrow.20514/
    https://forum.kag2d.com/threads/badges.20345/
    https://forum.kag2d.com/threads/steam-emoticons.20312/
    https://forum.kag2d.com/threads/archer-updates.20290/
    https://forum.kag2d.com/threads/adding-ranks-to-kag.20168/
    https://forum.kag2d.com/threads/broken-vote-system.20125/
    https://forum.kag2d.com/threads/daggers-for-archers.20024/
    https://forum.kag2d.com/threads/improving-weapons-at-shops.20006/
    https://forum.kag2d.com/threads/swordsman-or-infantry-class.19923/
    https://forum.kag2d.com/threads/bobotypes-effectiveness-rework-of-the-archer.19706/page-2
    https://forum.kag2d.com/threads/tickets-to-ctf.19725/
    https://forum.kag2d.com/threads/make-archer-more-fun.19700/
    https://forum.kag2d.com/threads/1085-leveling-titles.19687/
    https://forum.kag2d.com/threads/airships.17108/page-2
    https://forum.kag2d.com/threads/the-battering-ram.19552/page-2
    https://forum.kag2d.com/threads/make-archer-more-fun.19700/
    https://forum.kag2d.com/threads/1085-leveling-titles.19687/
    https://forum.kag2d.com/threads/its-not-what-you-think.19349/
    https://forum.kag2d.com/threads/new-ctf-maps.19316/
    https://forum.kag2d.com/threads/new-classes.13856/
    https://forum.kag2d.com/threads/zombie-singleplayer.19294/

    Threads still unlocked after rule(s) have been broken:

    https://forum.kag2d.com/threads/merlin-and-arthur-ctf-tent-retexture-new-gamemode.20414/
    https://forum.kag2d.com/threads/different-bomb-tweak.20042/
    https://forum.kag2d.com/threads/builder-tweaks.20044/

    Incredibly stupid as fuck threads that are still open:

    https://forum.kag2d.com/threads/remove-the-option-to-swap-teams.19536/
    https://forum.kag2d.com/threads/nigel-thornberrys-smashing-somersaults.19591/
    https://forum.kag2d.com/threads/hiding-your-team-color-with-dead-bodies.18680/
    https://forum.kag2d.com/threads/1057-dem-arrows-doe.19568/
    https://forum.kag2d.com/threads/kick-ability-for-archers-purchasable-kicking-boots.19354/

    Threads that have been decided upon that are still open:

    https://forum.kag2d.com/threads/make-builder-the-default-spawn.19704/
    https://forum.kag2d.com/threads/make-shield-walls-shield-boost-more-plausible.19569/
    https://forum.kag2d.com/threads/how-to-stop-worrying-and-love-the-bomb.19626/

    Threads that had a majority of support against it, but was still implemented:

    https://forum.kag2d.com/threads/bombs-cost-more.19653/

    THERE ARE 24 TOTAL PAGES OF SUGGESTION THREADS.

    I didn't want to or think I needed to go through 19 more pages 20 threads a piece. Thats 380 threads. I went through 100 threads. Bringing the total amount of threads (not including the balance sub-category) to 480.

    If you want to, you can go through the shit stain of the forums:

    https://forum.kag2d.com/forums/balance.110/

    or as the creator of the sub-category called it:

    "The toxic wasteland that just ends up causing lost friendships. Very much akin to being the Mario Kart or Monopoly of the forums."

    Because nearly every thread is just generally awful.

    But why does any of this, you may ask. Well I will tell you. The threads found in this list and in the balance category are threads that have flame wars, stupid ideas, personal insults, off-topic disputes, or have ideas that have been already suggestion. However, they all have one thing in common. No matter how bad they got, and some go really bad, bad enough that I have gotten a week ban from them, NONE OF THEM GOT DELETED!

    Boom. Fact Kick to the nuts.

    So to TL;DR this shit up:

    A thread that had 50/50 support was deleted. No thread, no matter how bad before it, has been deleted. At least as far as I know. I mean, I have been here for a year. I have made close to 40 threads. I have been banned for a week before of shit that went down in such threads. But those threads remain open or locked. Never deleted.

    End of TL;DR.

    Part 2:

    http://i.imgur.com/3KtptP9.png

    http://i.imgur.com/tlse7Of.png

    Included in those two pictures is a profile conversation of an administrator instigating a fight with a member, admitting to taking personal pride in causing problem, and much more.

    See for yourself.

    Now since all of that is pretty straight forward badmin material, I will move onto one specific part of it. Where Kouji says Geti was tired of arguing and just wanted it closed.

    Oh boy. This'll be fun.

    https://forum.kag2d.com/threads/general-knight-changes-ignore-the-op-please.16102/page-14

    Read from page 14 to page 20. Included in tonight's selection is essay length responses to Bobotype in probably the worst fucking threads ever made by Geti.

    Replies directed to likely one of the top 10 biggest trolls on these forums that were longer than this thread by Geti.

    Tired of arguing my ass.

    And to top it off, the topics were absolute shit. Unanimous support against bobotype. Yet, a thread with 50/50 support can't be bothered by a 2nd reply and has to be deleted? Damn. That makes a lot of sense.


    So. To sum up everything in this thread.

    I make a thread. I insult an admin after he insults me and puts down my idea. It receives 50/50 support. Geti responds once. I respond back. Thread is deleted because apparently "everyone" thought it was a bad idea and Geti didn't want to argue. The real reason, Kouji gets mad that when he lists his opinion that he thinks would be backed a 100% and doesn't. He gets even more mad when I insult him and on top of that, it starts gaining more and more support.

    I then make this thread because of it. Thus ends my admin abuse report.

    Now, what do you all think should be done? IMO, admins should not act this way. Attacking members. Causing problems. I haven't seen any other moderators do it besides Blueluigi.

    Also, sorry if there is any misspelled words or improper grammar, it is a long ass thread and I put about a good 2 hours into research and making it all.

    Tagging anyone who may want a say in this or, in general, does a shit ton better of a job.

    @Furai @Geti @Kouji @Beef @dnmr @FuzzyBlueBaron @Galen @Gurin @Lieber @Rayne @Trumbles @UnnamedPlayer @Superblackcat @Verrazano @Dargona1018 @zerd @Yagger @Auburn @LordReudh @Hella @101i @bout
     
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  2. Kouji

    Kouji Cold, Uncaring, Sadistic, Evil and Cruel Meanie Administrator Global Moderator Forum Moderator Tester
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    Yay, another thread about how I abuse!
     
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  3. Duplolas

    Duplolas So Sad

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    Didn't know there was already so many before this one. Mind combining them all into one super abuse thread?

    P.S. I haven't seen any reports on any other staff... Seems weird you are the only one.
     
  4. Kouji

    Kouji Cold, Uncaring, Sadistic, Evil and Cruel Meanie Administrator Global Moderator Forum Moderator Tester
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    They get moved to the admin/mod section of the forum (which is viewable by them only, since we don't prema-delete threads in case it's accidental). I've had one other, and 2 other mods hand one each.
     
  5. dinotree

    dinotree Shark Slayer

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    did you change your signature and your description thing to fit this argument? :X3:
     
  6. Kouji

    Kouji Cold, Uncaring, Sadistic, Evil and Cruel Meanie Administrator Global Moderator Forum Moderator Tester
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    Nah, I've put that sig and title a while ago (title has been there for about a year or so)
     
  7. Duplolas

    Duplolas So Sad

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    So why move threads that concern the public out of the public's view? Such as the fire arrow thread.

    And why move that specific thread so that only mods+ can see it when there have been lots of threads that restated facts and were going no where before this one that didn't meet the same fate.

    And no. He didn't. He brags about that.
     
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  8. Yagger

    Yagger Kouji's bitch 5eva Staff Alumni Tester
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    i made this ages ago, yet it still fits today. remarkable.

    [​IMG]
     
  9. JoshTG

    JoshTG Ballista Bolt Thrower

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    Thread did not need to be locked/deleted/moved.
    But this is so pointless, this will change nothing and kouji will continue to be an admin.

    And honestly, is it that big of a fucking deal? Geti saw the post already so he has probably already decided whether or not he likes the idea.

    Like really,you're saying someone who has been servicing the kag forums unpayed for years should be punished because they deleted ONE thread.
     
  10. Duplolas

    Duplolas So Sad

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    Didn't say punished.

    I know it takes a lot of work being a admin. I was one for 4 years, thats 2 years of running an entire division, admining CS:S, and moderating TF2, while also being a mod on the forums and then two years essentially being the backbone of populating servers for a community while also moderating it. But when I fucked up, I was at least warned.

    And it isn't just the thread being done whatever with, it is the fact that there are a few admins who just don't follow the rules we have to. I got banned for a week because I flamed BlueLuigi back after he had been doing it to me. He wasn't punished at all when he started the entire mess and continued to muck it up.

    The point of this is, just because you are an admin, doesn't mean you get to break the rules we have to follow. That includes what happened in this thread. Kouji insulting me. I insulting him back. People evenly agreeing with him and I. And then him sweeping it under the rug because it hurt his ego the tiniest bit.

    What rustles my jimies is just how when anyone fucks up, they take 0 blame for it, especially admins such as kouji.
     
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  11. Dargona1018

    Dargona1018 Ballista Bolt Thrower

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    The suggestion (breaking fire arrows) was made since, right now, there is no logical/easier way to break the arrows.
    That is a legitimate problem right now, and, as said by Dupolas, there have been dumber threads suggested.

    I have also gathered that Kouji doesn't seem to degrade and insult just anyone, that Dupolas is special.
    If you have bad blood with someone, @Kouji , you should avoid them, not get into petty disputes with said person.
    That is a job of an Admin, or any person in a seat of power/staff.
    You should've been well aware of this before you took up this rank.
    And technically, since you seem to just dislike Dupolas and treat him like something to squash under your boot, not worth anything to the community, you're insulting could be considered abuse.
     
  12. Yagger

    Yagger Kouji's bitch 5eva Staff Alumni Tester
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    wow, how wrong you are in that sense. kouji doesn't look for reasons to insult duplolas alone, but to be honest, duplolas has a pretty bad record within some groups in the forums just for his loads of suggestion threads that seem more like rants. the fire arrow discussion was discussed in testing, geti disagreed, end of point, thread removed.

    reminds me of when @Ej called some kid a shitter because of him being bad and that resulted in him making some huge steam discussion about how Ej was badmin incarnate.
     
  13. Ill deztroy the op once i get home, dont lock till then
     
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  14. 101i

    101i Haxor Forum Moderator Tester

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    rip duplolas :c
    I predict a flame war coming on.
     
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  15. dinotree

    dinotree Shark Slayer

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    Rekt* I think is the correct terminology to use :kappa:
     
  16. bout

    bout Shark Slayer

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    Tl;dr version:

    My awful suggestion got deleted. Wah wah wah. Threads that make more sense don't get deleted. Wah wah wah. Kouji is bad.
     
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  17. Kouji

    Kouji Cold, Uncaring, Sadistic, Evil and Cruel Meanie Administrator Global Moderator Forum Moderator Tester
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    gg.png

    AZ time.

    edit: other channels are sekrit channels which is why they are hidden.
     
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  18. Geti

    Geti Please avoid PMing me (poke a mod instead) THD Team Administrator Global Moderator

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    To chime in on this more than the first out-of-context quote:

    Fwiw, I didn't realise the thread had gone missing when saying that, and hadn't seen this thread either.
    • We have had ongoing "badmin" problems for a long, long time, but Kouji is not what I would consider part of it, and the current situation is a lot better than some of the staff situations we've had in the past - MM active as admin anyone? ;^)
    • While I do agree that he gives you (Duplolas) personally a hard time, you give him one back, and the issue of cleanly dealing with 2 people who simply don't like each other is quite hard. I'll suggest a course of action after the rest of this list.
    • That thread being removed is IMO erroneous and it should be put back so it can float off the board in its own time, I don't think it's such a huge deal but it wasn't the right thing to do.
      • Other "extra cancerous" threads should be reported for separate moderation, as Kouji actually pointed out in the profile thread you posted screencaps of. Their existence isn't good evidence that some other thread should not have been moderated.
    • While I understand that "tough love" is something a lot of the higher-ups in this community thrive on, its really not the One True Way to go about everything - especially for people who have explicitly stated they don't enjoy that kind of interaction. Continuing under those circumstances is at best unbecoming of an authority figure and at worst cruel bullying.
      • Everyone who approaches their interactions here with that mentality would do well to consider who they're interacting with and how - I know I'm guilty of acting too familiar with some people and too harsh on others. Regulars reading this - if this sounds like you, keep the rough and tumble stuff with those you know enjoy it, cool it with the rest.
      • That that's exactly as homoerotic as it sounds.
    TLDR aside:

    Suggested course of action:

    Kouji
    • To avoid conflict of interest issues, avoid moderating Duplolas' threads and reports to do with him - other admins will need to take up any the slack here, but hopefully there's not much.
    Duplolas
    • Consider reasons Kouji might be behaving meanly towards you from his perspective - Honestly I see this as more of a "straw that broke the camel's back" case as to him deleting the thread, not that the thread was especially stupid or unpopular, just that Kouji (and, for the record, a handful of other admins) is tired of long suggestion and balance threads, and you cause a lot of them. I believe your general conduct happens to rub him the wrong way as well, as he's clarified elsewhere, and from a lot of the responses here, maybe it could use adjusting in a lot of people's eyes.
    Both
    • Behave civilly or else avoid communication until the tension is gone - feel free to revisit this formally or informally in a month or so - "Hey do you mind if I don't go so easy on you again?". This kind of restraint sucks for both sides, but I think it's the simplest official way to go about this and the least likely to end in tears/blood.
    Feel free to suggest alternative courses of action, both of you, so we can settle this like adults instead of resorting to more flaming.

    Anyone else posting in here better have a good reason for it (Ej, for better or worse this means you too).
     
  19. Kouji

    Kouji Cold, Uncaring, Sadistic, Evil and Cruel Meanie Administrator Global Moderator Forum Moderator Tester
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    I'm fine with that agreement.
     
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  20. Duplolas

    Duplolas So Sad

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    Same. I apologize for acting out directly towards you Kouji. I have been going through a bit in my own personal life, and took it out on you by using this forum.

    Again, I apologize for the stuff I did wrong.
     
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