Dead game is dead...

I cant remember who said that we havn't got enough publicity...
i will just leave this here

 

Team play has a heavy weighting on games in KAG. Obviously you have the basics such as knights protecting archers and builders and arrow ladders etc but things like slashing in time with each other as knights and distractions and a hell of a lot more are rarely seen in pub games.

KAG is a hugely team based game. No idea why you'd think otherwise.

 

Yo, man, don't be CO here. I'm play dozens of clanwars in classic. ArL, WorldCup, Gather all that stuff

that's what I call a fun game

and that what i saw in beta. not fun for me...

 

A lot of people say that it gets no publicity, mainly because that was the game back in Alpha, and the video was made exactly 3 years and 13 days ago, and since then there was a Beta and Steam Release...

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Also, that clan-war was from before Steam Release (I think) and the game is much different than it was than.
There is more teamwork, the game is much faster-paced, there is good strategy involved, and jabspamming is frowned upon.

 

DOH! i forgot to say that, ask another "WTF is..." to the cynical brit xD

 

You have a lot of tricks to do with all that new stuff... Fast round with 10 players require some skill atm. Its a bit sad that faith isnt ready for beta!

 

Wat is dis thread even for?

 

Faith don't even exist now
So how about a video of "Fast round with 10 players", do you have it? I'm really whant to see it

 

I don't know of any game you cant make a macro for......

 

The difference is that some other games have combos and/or a cast time with cooldown forcing you to choose your timing... so macros are useless. In this game a macro can do things that may not be intended... I would list examples but I would prefer not to for the sake of the people who play legit who don't need the extra frustration.

It doesn't make that much of a difference in the new patches but people with macros still have a large advantage over those who don't... 2 knights or archers charging an attack at the same time, one of each with PERFECT ROBOTIC TIMING... Who will win more often? Probability would suggest the macro user. (One example of a large list)

All I'm saying though is that it's hard to determine who is using a macro in this game, so it's hard to care for anyone who's playing well... Don't get me wrong, I'm an idealist with good sportsmanship, so I really actually just say that because I would prefer if there were some system in place that would make macros less effective. This is also just one opinion, I'm sure maybe people think differently, and again BECAUSE I'm an idealist, I would LOVE for the players to just play as the game is and not use macros... but just hoping for something will not make it happen.

And yes, there are macros for a lot of games. A lot of games I don't care for.... and this has been added to that list because some d.bag I fought decided to take it to that level. However, you have to understand that if people get onto servers and just get rocked the ENTIRE MATCH by someone who is claiming they're not using a macro (but they are), those players will try SO hard to get 1 kill, all the while they really stand almost no chance depending on how good the macro'er is at positioning him/her self. And do you think that player would want to play again? It's a really hard topic to discuss because people who use macros aren't going to admit it, and the entire element that makes this game actually fun is playing with and against people who aren't using one.

I could post solutions, but I know that a lot of what I would suggest would get a shit tonne of backlash, not to mention I would recommend changes that I wouldn't even want (because if everyone played without macros there would be no problem). The sad fact is that this game was ruined for me because I happened to fight someone that I thought was cheating at first, everyone could tell that he was 'fast' in a consistent and annoying way - and so I recorded the guy and managed to actually reverse engineer his macro.. so thanks to that one bastard I can never look at this game the same.

This may not be what people want to hear, but it is one problem that I could see that's potentially killing this game more than people realize.

Beyond that opinionated rant;

I think a large reason the game is 'Dead' is because this game seems to use the same amount of processing (if not more) as some modern 3D games... so I'd imagine that people with the average computer probably can't do much in multiplayer without lagging. Not sure what causes all the lag... probably the check for collapse or something? At any rate, it's there and when you combine that with no singleplayer outlet for those people, they will get bored quickly.

Also, with no tutorials for the noobs, there are a lot of new players that don't contribute a shred of usefulness to a match. Others suggested rookie only servers, and that may not be a bad idea - but a tutorial that devastates them may help them get over the fact that the game is too fast-paced to worry about small amounts of blocks (for example, have a part of a tutorial where they have to build a standard wall and then defend it from a scripted attack consisting of bomb-throwers, a catapult wheeled in and then manned by a builder, and a keg attack followed by a rush of archers). They should be subjected to an attack that is worthy of collapsing their wall. Not sure what could actually do that right now though considering 1 thin line of backwall can hold up a stupid amount of blocks.

I can't figure out why this game is SO dead though, but I imagine people just don't like having a unit with 0.5 attack. They simply can't deal with having to switch between all of the classes...

 

Alas, it was more tuned to knight, because you can play as an elite archer and have the (macro) extra buttons readily available for knight, but I do agree with what you're saying... Like I said, it's a bit hard to discuss because it depends on how elite the macro/user is.

So as to your blurb about archers;
Just the same, a knight using a macro can be defeated if he's not very bright, but you can get an edge if you know both movement and your macro timing. You can tap a normal attack to jab and break the macro to flee and charge a perfect macro slash that is practically unbeatable, and follow it with another that is once again a perfect slash... Really though, I cut a lot of the strategy out of my blurb so to not encourage people using the macros (and I'll stop here because I could just go on about how to use a macro well all day, including something game breaking*).

For example, CSGO has macro prevention but only for consistent spamming (to prevent people from using pistols as automatic weapons). It works against people who would just set up a poorly configured macro, but you could easily alternate the timings in such a way that it appears to not be a macro.

I've only come across 2/150 (in KAG) players that used a macro. So it's a very small minority, but these players can ruin the human aspect of the game... where you're no longer fighting against someone with good timing, but rather some stupid perfect-timing death machine (for someone who uses a macro well). Just think about this... you're up against your castle... as archer you only have the option to really get in close or with some borderline suicidal attack, as builder you can't do much other than maybe drop a spike and waste some stone (for the knight to just come back) meanwhile this knight could be defending people on his own team as they are breaking into your base... If you go knight, you are at a disadvantage because the guy is using a macro and understand positioning and timing enough to kill you the majority of the time. Does that sound fun? Maybe for a while but it can get the point where it's a complete pain in the ass because even your best efforts end up with you thinking you've got the perfect slash honed in and yet, he slashes, and then charges immediately and slashes again.... so on and so forth.

I'm talking about someone who knows what they're doing and understands how to abuse it to the max, also most people ARE plebs, believe it or not. Not everyone wants to play this game competitively, and while I agree that it may not matter in comp because people wont use it, it's still hard to care for anyone when maybe using them IS the most elite? I mean, it would be more efficient if you know what you're doing - and that's a fact.. It's like having an extra attack button that reads "Perfect slash queue".

*There are other things though that can make it gamebreaking... I don't want to post it here, but I could PM the devs if they care.

At any rate, this is kind of trailing off of the discussion, but this is at least for me the reason I refuse to play. There is just no way of determining what is legit, and it's caused by the exact thing that makes the game fun. This may not affect anyone else at all, and most people probably wouldn't notice or care, but having been able to reverse engineer someone's macro really put a damper on my enjoyment of the game.

 

I had been searching for a sandbox game like Kag for a long time before I found and joined during a steam sale. I bought terraria but that game has sprite animation and an art style that make me want to vomit. $10.00 on something I have played for maybe 30 minutes. On the other hand kag cost me $3.00 and I've played 200+ hours I think.... Maybe a lot more I'm not home atm.

I actually bought soldat back in the day too and I had no idea this game existed.

 

its the time-zones that's why

 

I know, like this type of thing never happens and should never happens

 

Criticize Dev - get banned. Surprise surprise. That's your welcoming community, folks! :) Your devs who make 10 million+ off you and can't afford to toss a coder 50k a year to fix bugs.

Go KAG!

 

I can't tell if you're trying to be an asshat purposely or if it comes natural, considering that statistic comes straight from your ass.

 

I think we should vote on what new community maps and current maps should be on the official servers. A lot of times i see empty servers because of a map a lot of people may not like. Like seriously i can't count the amount of times i hit a map in a certain server and like half the people leave cause they just don't like it but refuse to pass the vote to skip it; They stay and 2- 5 minutes later realize oh shit i should of voted to skip but its already too damn late and you lost half your player base and wind up leaving themselves.