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[AG#] vs MIST [Approved]

Discussion in 'Competitive KAG Archive' started by Snake19, Nov 23, 2014.

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  1. Snake19

    Snake19 RIP Staff Alumni Donator
    1. [AG#] - Ancient Gear

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    Server: Clan War server MLK EU
    Date: , Sunday, November 23 2014
    Rules: Official rules

    [AG#]:
    • Snake19
    • Damocle
    • Lumeos
    • FinnickH_G
    • Kabouter
    • xNaoki_x3
    • A_Jax
    MIST:
    • 1RealGameBoy
    • TheBunnyHunter
    • MCrifel
    • xXheroic_gamesXx
    • Tero147
    Results :
    • Round 1 : 2 - 0 ([AG#]won with 2 caps)
    • Round 2 : 2 - 0 ([AG#] won with 2 caps)
    • Round 3 : Win 2/0 no 3rd round
    • Outcome: [AG#]WIN!
     
  2. kodysch

    kodysch Bison Rider Staff Alumni
    1. Archers [Arch] (Recruiting)

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    you don't have to play three rounds? I thought that was in the rules.
     
  3. Tern

    Tern Quickfish Donator Official Server Admin
    1. Zen - [Zen] - (Invite Only)

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    What is with all these vs MIST clan wars? AG# and NMS are choosing arguably one of the lower-tier clans in MLK and then repeatedly raping them for points. I'm not saying other clans couldn't do this, but it seems like there should be some limit on how many matches can be played with one particular clan in a season.
     
  4. Juaro

    Juaro Haxor Staff Alumni Tester

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    It a best of three, what's the point of playing a third round if you've already won two? To humiliate your opponent even more?
     
  5. Snake19

    Snake19 RIP Staff Alumni Donator
    1. [AG#] - Ancient Gear

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    it is a Bo3 "Best Of 3" If we win two rounds after it is useless to make a third.

    You are quite right unfortunately Many clans Refuse our Clans Wars. Because they believe that the AG is too strong for them.

    The MIST are among the most courageous, they play for fun, not for points.

    by cons if you want a clan wars, there is no problem AG never refuses a Clan Wars!
     
  6. Tern

    Tern Quickfish Donator Official Server Admin
    1. Zen - [Zen] - (Invite Only)

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    I'm glad that MIST is so will to do clan wars, but farming them for MLK points shouldn't be allowed. @SpideY, I think most would agree that having a limit on the number of clan wars that one clan can have with another particular clan in a week should be limited so that one clan can't beat an easier clan multiple times in a day or in a week, easily gaining points for the winning clan. It's unfortunate that clans are refusing to play you guys, but farming MIST for points shouldn't be a solution to this and shouldn't be allowed.
     
  7. Snake19

    Snake19 RIP Staff Alumni Donator
    1. [AG#] - Ancient Gear

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    I agree with you, but a clan should not refuse a clan wars either!

    I'm not kidding when I tell you that the AG request at least 10 clan wars week. And often only 5 answers and 2 are OK. This is pathetic!
     
  8. Honestly I think some of the rules are a little bit silly but then again this is not my league

    Really the "best" clan is the one that plays the most
    No limit to the amount you can play in a month to the point where you
    play the same clan twice in one day.
    And I do agree that a clan shouldn't deny a request but sometimes you just don't have the necessary players to compete so the end result is clans farming one clan repeatedly
     
  9. Tern

    Tern Quickfish Donator Official Server Admin
    1. Zen - [Zen] - (Invite Only)

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    MLK has some decent rules, but some of these issues need to be addressed. Also, Pillars by Ej? Really? Even the pubs know it's bad. @SpideY
     
  10. kittycity

    kittycity Haxor

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    I think to determine the "best" clan you could organize a clan tournament. Or have every clan face all the other clans and the one with the most wins.... wins.
     
  11. SpideY

    SpideY Hear Me Roar Staff Alumni Donator

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    We have the same problem as ag @ternary

    Clans dont want to play against us or cant schedule shit...
    Like Snake said, mist always wants to play. Dont forget we scheduled one intercontinental matche... Its not our problem if others clans are too inactive or afraid to play. Moreover, it takes like 2 WEEKS to schedule matches against others clans. Zen scheduled one match in one month... With everyone on irc, we could play every fucking evening. And please, itw vullshit to think we played only against mist to gain points. Like lumeos, we are asking every clan to play...
    The truth : euro clans are active as fuck and always ready to play.
    About the league, yeah activity is rewarded. Its the main objective of this league with only 10 active clans and less 100 players........
     
  12. Eden

    Eden Galen Slayer Donator

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    australians are lazy as fek dont verse us
     
  13. SpideY

    SpideY Hear Me Roar Staff Alumni Donator

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    We call that freeplay and playoff. To be in playoff, you have to be active and play against any clans (you arent wearing a clan tag just for fun for example) then you will face best clans in playoff.
     
  14. kittycity

    kittycity Haxor

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    Every clan plays against the enemy clan once. Not multiple times.
     
  15. SpideY

    SpideY Hear Me Roar Staff Alumni Donator

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    But its the meaning of freeplay. Beating every clan during this phase! Its almost impossible to do that if you are inactive or too afraid to play! i
    --- Double Post Merged, Nov 24, 2014, Original Post Date: Nov 24, 2014 ---
    No, no they are just afraid. Some clans need like 3 weeks to do a match. Its not possible... With irc and steam for example, you are able to schedule a clan war in few minutes.

    @ternary
    About farming points, i played many leagues and i have other stuff to do IRL instead of farming clans to gain points in a virtual league. Dont forget im handling that league only to boost a competitive scene on a game with only 10 active clans. You arent into our head ^^
     
  16. Juaro

    Juaro Haxor Staff Alumni Tester

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    i'm actually with spidey on this one, activity SHOULD be rewarded and if that means playing against lower tier clans multiple times, which will happen a lot because we don't have that many active clans on KAG, then so be it. Anyways, i wouldn't really call it "farming of points", seeing how NMS has already played AG twice, you Zen guys once (Edit: It was frisson, serry), BoW twice. (Also Mist 4 times now, but how the fuck are "bad" clans going to get better if nobody can compete with them because they're "locked")

    Anyways, i was also under the impression that this is just a test season for further seasons to come so any criticism should be thusly discussed.
    Also, shouldn't really no one actually give a fuck about who comes first in this thing? Shouldn't this just promote KAG a bit, promote activity, promote clan "awareness" ? Who gives a shit who comes first as long as the people that do don't go "uhh we so gud, we da bst clan of kag".

    I can only speak for myself and my own clan but we've literally lost all our clan matches in this thing except one and we still had a ton of fun, and shouldn't that really be what it's all about?
     
  17. SpideY

    SpideY Hear Me Roar Staff Alumni Donator

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    It made me cry haha
     
  18. Shadowor

    Shadowor Shark Slayer

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    Yeah we just skip it every time, but now I made a speedrun. You can actually win it in a minute as archer on a full 20+ slot server.
    [10:12:18] Red Team's flag has been picked up by Shadowor!
    [10:12:22] Red Team's flag has been captured by Shadowor!
    [10:12:30] Red Team's flag has been picked up by Shadowor!
    [10:12:37] Red Team's flag has been captured by Shadowor!
    [10:12:38] <FaZe Rainbow Dash> thats 2
    [10:12:48] <MOIST Sluggeh> thnx m8
    [10:13:19] Red Team's flag has been picked up by Shadowor!
    [10:13:30] <XxdragonedgexX> this team
    [10:13:30] Red Team's flag has been captured by Shadowor!
    [10:13:31] <FaZe Rainbow Dash> and 3
    [10:13:32] <XxdragonedgexX> is so bad..
    [10:13:34] <Onellon> fcked up maps
    [10:13:42] * Scrambling the teams...
    About MLK, if they play and are active then they deserve the points. Even though MIST farming is getting out of hand, they are still willing to play, so why don't let them? Only NMS, AG and MIST is playing that much, and all the 3 of them is fine with this. The other clans are not that active, so why they are surprised if more active clans have more point? And yet again, all the 3 clan is willing to accept match requests, so go and fight, and try do what they do. If you lose that is another thing. But to contain this, activity-restriction should be considered to a maximum of 3 match a week per clan.
     
  19. Zen is one of the clans who refuse to play against us. (@kedram )
    we played all EU clans except LVT because they refuse for fear of losing (10 requests). We have won all of other EU clan, what do you want more?
    we are 16 AG's all play, about 1 hours per day. We are certainly most active or one of the most.
    we play EVERYONE but 1/2 fled for fear of losing.
    So, yes we play clans that want to play like KR MIST or NMS but these are real clans.
    you say that we are playing against "small clans" but where is my message of Zen for a match?
    you want to see if we are noob players ? just farm point? ok, np we want play versus you.

    See you in-game,
    Lumeos
     
  20. Psiklaw

    Psiklaw Bison Rider

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    Hey, we had some problems in LVT about organisation, but now we will return to fighting clans. However, I wanted to say something about MLK.

    No drama here, just that one thing is playing for fun, which is cool and it's what we all do, but I think the MIST situation is just comical. Clans who don't want to fight just play for the points? That's silly: LVT didn't want to fight clans put of their level precisely to have a chance against them by becoming better (we are just born). NMS specifically fought MIST 3 times and reked them; it's normal for us as a new clan to seek our own level to fight with, and refusing to become food for big old clans until we feel like we can face them. I respect if MIST is cool with it, but please don't tell me the objective of this is to bring life into clan and get little clans active, when the same old experienced clans are the ones rekin exhaustively and repeteadly against newer, unexperienced people.
    --- Double Post Merged, Nov 24, 2014, Original Post Date: Nov 24, 2014 ---
    It would be perfect to win us and then have NMS, f, AG and ZEN for the finals right? Such a fine way to bring live into the other clans, to have the same OLD clans fight between them. We are not afraid of losing, we are afraid of being treated as feeding plebs and want to have a chance against clans like yours... We will tell you when we want to fight, lads.
     
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