Make gold and seeds undecayable (CTF)

I want to be undecayable!

edit: no off-topic, I totally agree with you on the seed thing but not the other thing.

 

Makes sense.

 

What if the other team breaks your stuff AND takes the gold piles?... you'd still be out of gold.

In my opinion (bolded because I know that everyone's is different) I'd almost rather have gold removed... it's such a useless material. Honestly, have a shop maybe where you can trade gold for stone, and then have stone costs increased... if gold is kept at all. I guess I'm takling more for CTF because in TTH it makes sense to have gold for magistrates.

 

Yeah, don't get me wrong, I wouldn't mind having a system like this but I'd prefer if gold was not a resource, or those particular structures needed less of it in order to be built... because sometimes you have no choice whether some noob builds a tunnel or siege workshop in a vulnerable place.

Something else that should be thought about: What if it falls off the map?

 

With this you could build a siege shop, buy 3x catapults and 3x ballistas, destroy the shop and then build a tunnel?

u wot m8?

 

I'm not sure non-decaying materials is enough to fix the underlying issues.

Heavy map erosion and materials disappearing (by building or laying on the ground) is quite a problem for games lasting a certain time. I consider it to be one of KAG's biggest weaknesses.

Erosion can be remedied somewhat by adding more bedrock to the maps where battle occurs, and to increase the amount of materials received for each block/log. However, it's still erodes. Dirt isn't dropped and has no use, which causes a lot of erosion. Stone tiles, at least, gives enough material for several stone blocks replacing the tile you removed.

Gold is a one-time harvest, one-time use with a, typically, very limited supply, and should in my opinion only be used to fund research or very special buildings. I mean, it's an important aspect of the game to harvest and use gold wisely. I wouldn't want to take that away, but I think there's room for some tweaks here.

I think it's interesting how Aphelion introduced "deposits" in his Roleplay mod, that replenishes after a certain time, limiting erosion and ensuring that there's always a supply of certain materials. It fits well with long-lasting game modes, but I'm a bit unsure about the default modes. True, some of the default modes can also see long-lasting matches. In that case, it could be a viable solution, but with the risk of resulting in an endless stalemate situation, from which people grow bored and leave. That might be a problem anyway, though.

About seeds, sometimes they just disappear; either by landing on something else than dirt, or simply just of some bug that has never been fixed (possibly falling through the ground, I dunno). I'd just suggest that seeds that drop on non-dirt tiles do not disappear, so that you can pick it up at any time. If they then ended up as a "bag" sprite instead of the seed sprite, they would be easier to spot. Alternatively, even allow trees to grow on stone/tree blocks as they do in real life; taking root in the smallest crack and eventually, over time, rip the material apart. As for bugs, well, about bloody time it's fixed, cause it's always been an issue.

 

bring back gold bullions

 

Yes, all of the yes.

I +1 this idea, me wants to see gold become less lose-able, because I'd love to make them expensive workshops, but all of them builders grab da gold and lose it some way or another.

 

Or unbreakable storage? (Like the chests in Aphelion's Roleplay maybe)

 

Yes, this makes sense. Robbing gold from enemy builders would be more beneficial and efficient in general.

 

This idea is well thought out. It would allow you to move those shops which require gold (if someone has placed them a bad position) without griefing your materials.

I like the idea of seeds not decaying on stone, but not growing there either. This would allow you to still sabotage the enemy team by stealing their trees, but would make it much harder than it currently is. It would also stop tree farms getting destroyed over time when someone moves the seeds.

+1

 

I believe that this would be decently easy to implement, just making it drop the Gold as cata's drop their unused stone, and ballistaes with their bolts. With the tunnel, I don't think that it should drop the gold, because then people will only destroy them, and not use them effectively against the enemy team.

With the seeds, having a lack of decay would be pretty good. To possibly help it from not taking root on different tiles, I would possibly recommend having the Sapling take root in ANY tile that it's on, but you have to break it (drops no logs) before you can pick it up, so that it encourages people to take saplings back to base whilst still denying it any decay or bugs making it disappear after not taking root.

 

I like the idea of a mine-able resource.

Something like: If gold does happen to fall off the map, have half of what was lost (rounded to the nearest even number for simplicity sake) go to each mine-able resource nearest to each team tent, that way it's basically infinite. Then just have maps so the gold is 25% into the map from each tent. That way, the team that starts controlling 75% of the map has an advantage, and the team that's being cornered has to make some attempt to get gold by destroying their siege workshops, tunnels, and storages. Instead of having the gold just drop straight to the ground when, for example, a tunnel is destroyed - have it on a delay so after 120 seconds (or some number) the gold that would've fell 'respawns' onto the mine-able map object nearest to the team's tent who 'owned' the tunnel. That way there's a delay instead of being able to instantly put down a siege workshop, build a catapult, break the workshop and build a tunnel and tunnel to the front lines with the catapult.

Seeds are more complicated.. because having a set price at a shop for them could cause spam, and having them respawn brings up issues with location to spawn when lost (of course it's possible to create a solution it's just more complicated).

 

Undecayable gold is a good idea since its very scarce in CTF maps, but seeds, I don't think so.