ReBalance mod discussion

If bomb arrows are nerfed I would expect a slight price decrease just because I wouldn't see them as being effective against a whole lot.

It'd be cool to bring the legolas back as an alternate playstyle so you could switch between the two.

Keg nerf makes th really hard and almost pointless to use. They fall off enough as it is I think that nerf would make them much more frustrating. Maybe making stone take more damage would be a better balance.

Builders should dig faster. I think the problem with builder is that every class does the builders job better than it can do itself. More items would be cool imo.

Bombs should have their radius decreased. The distance on them is ridiculous. I liked classic bombs more because they were used for jumping more than destruction.

It all comes down to kag being an all teamwork game or special item and lone wolf game.

 

I agree on your point that bomb arrows may do too much damage to stone for how simple it is to get them, but I feel that they don't necessarily need block damage reduction to be their re-balance. There are countless ways to make having a bomb arrow a lot more dangerous for the archer who is carrying it. Since, in all fairness, they nearly have siege engine-like power, maybe they should slow down archers in the same way boulders do .

When I say it like that, I know, sounds crazy game-changing unfair for the poor archers

But if each bomb arrow slowed down the archer only a little bit, lets say, 10% decrease in speed, it would prevent archers from holding three bomb arrows in their inventory and blowing a base to bits in one go Not because the bomb arrows cant do it, but because it would slow down the archer 30%! Going out to the enemy base 70% normal speed is a dangerous endeavor for the usually nimble archer, whereas 90% speed is not as bad.

 

builder is extremely easy to get the flag with if I ran to someone's flagcase with 500 wood and had 15 seconds to encase myself it is over(especially without keg drops) I think a decent enough balance would be for spikes to damage doors so i would be killed if i tried to door spam in forcing me to use blocks and get bombed

 

This is a great idea, one sided fun is a huge part of KAG right now and it's real painful at times.
As long as we trade ideas without trading salty feelings this should go well.

Boulder changes seem pretty legit, you can try giving it slightly more dmg though. I remember while testing it we had a few times where it did one heart from pretty dam high. :P

Keg smashing is fun but after trying out the mod I'm convinced taking it out is better for balance.
It's still possible to get the same results but it's not as easy. I think this is good because there's some cheesy ass shit you can do with bomb vomit jumps + Keg combo. Kegs blowing up from the catapult seems like a awesome compromise.

I LOVE THE BOMB ARROW CHANGE <3
Will archers love it? Probably not but I think they can learn to like it if they're cheaper or do more player dmg.

Builders doing more dmg to blocks/doors or just mining faster in general? YES FUCKING PLEASE and don't forget the drill to. <3
However I'm scared this wont happen due to a common misconception. "Tunnelling will be a bigger issue" I heard it a million times already when asking mumblers but EVERYTHING will be faster. Therefore COUNTER tunnelling is faster, let that sink in please.

When you think about it to dirt will be broken more often which makes tunnelling harder. If you dig out tunnellers(which will be way easier) they will have to replace dirt with stone or wood. When that happens at a good choke point you'll have a huge advantage(for example under your front wall). Dirt provides AMAZING resistance and protection from explosives. Stone and wood is way more vulnerable meaning other classes can counter the tunnellers as well and contribute more. Also I just wanna say switching to builder to counter enemy tunnellers will be WAY more viable and less dull. It will take less time to get the action going, it'll play out better, and player's should have an easier time cleaning up there base after. Like I said as well once you counter tunnel once it will become easier for the rest of the game.

On a final note I really feeling like builders doing more dmg to players is worth trying out. I would honestly barley play knight if I could just participate in combat a little more as builder. I really worry archers won't like it though. I think its worth trying out before getting a final opinion though.

 

I would think a nice fix for builder would be making the drill actually exist. I literally haven't seen a single drill since it was made a builder only item, because it overheats in 3 seconds so you really can't do much with one. Not to mention chances are you'll be killed before you can use it.

 

So anyone up for the pre-900 archer master race? I recall their main issue was a lack of stunning.

 

How about it damages through one tile. Doors/Plats eat it though.

 

I agree with all these points. My only concern is with kegs from catapults and how they'd react with people attempting to pick them up. A launched keg has little momentum usually and can easily be countered. My suggestion to better that is by having kegs only capable of being caught while flying horizontally.
Why: Before with keg jumps from bombs, while you were dropping the keg you could put momentum on the keg going downwards so it couldn't usually be caught. This will raise the probability that a keg will have success while still being capable of being countered.
If this were to be added I also suggest raising the price of kegs to 140 so they aren't as spammy. It seems that kegs usually get enough money to buy another keg and repeat the process.
Thirdly, I'd like to see trampolines nerfed a bit for the following reason: Stackjng 5-6 trampolines can send you across the map. Solution: make trampolines unable to stack and have them bounce off each other. (Their will be alternatives to trampoline stacking such as the old school trampoline cannons.
Lastly, If it can be helped, I'd like to see kegs not blow up on impact of trampolines.

 

I really didn't see kegs as much of a problem before tbh. I think that it does require skill to stack the bombs perfectly for a good jump and then being able to land the kegs accurately. I think it should still kill people bit do less damage to structures. They are really risky to take on the battlefield to begin with and I don't see them being spammed as much as other special items.

As for trampolines: I don't think they're as big of a deal as you make it. It adds another area for mobility and it takes a good amount of time to set up. Not only that but they get destroyed easily. For tramp changes, make them rotatable like ladders. And either make them have more health so they can actually be useful on the frontlines (if you make the tramp cannon nerf) or just keep them as they are right now.

 

If bomb arrows were nerfed, what would archers do? Be annoying and spam arrows? @Rayne, please tell me. Without good bomb arrows archers will become useless. .-.

 

ive been playing close range support archer for the last few weeks to test it out. if you can't help your team out besides spamming bomb arrows (arrow ladders, keeping builders / archers at bay, knight support, sniping with other special arrows, etc) then you are simply a shit archer who should git gud.

 

The bomb arrows are still good, he wants it basically to be like a choice would you rather take a risk and buy one bomb arrows or buy two fire arrows. Archers are mean't to be annoying and spam all different kind of arrows. Archers aren't meant to kill, they are support.

 

If there is only 1 class meant to fight and get kills then there shouldn't be a scoreboard so that logic is flawed

 

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The best way to find the strongest items is by looking at top players and what they use. I use a ton of bombs to bomb jump. Waffle buys kegs and bombs for keg jumps. Weman buys bomb arrows to slip into a base as fast as he can. Zen spams bombs to rack up kills. Sang also uses bombs for jumping (similar style to mine). With uses fire to take out archers. It goes on and on. I think people just find items that best suit their playstyle.