KAG's Dying Competitive Scene

Maybe Instead of you have to fight the challenger your clan has to have at least one fight a month / 2 weeks or your clan is disqualified

 

Then top clans will only fight the clans they are guaranteed to win against to keep their ELO and not lose it to the second/third place clan.

 

This.

I think the ELO system is good and an interesting and honest way to manage score in kag, maybe we should do a poll or something?

Anyways WHO IS GOING TO MANAGE ALL THE CLAN WARS AND STUFF? I guess we should wait for Spidey to give some ideas :)

 

Your only looking at what will happen to the top clans.. Im thinking of some of the smaller clans. I would not want to skip ahead and fight zen when I would rather have my clan fight people like lvt, and 2.0 who I think we have more of a chance against

 

I don't see what you're implying. Lower level clans are more likely to challenge lower level clans because they will have more chance of winning against them and therefore have a shot at increasing their ELO. Higher level clans will tend not to challenge lower level clans because they will spend their challenge on a clan war which will get them next to no ELO.

 

You can challenge them and play them often if you want. Also, Zen and best clans won't really have interest in fighting lower tier too often, cause they'll have more to lose, so I think the forced challenge rule is a good way to keep things dynamic, and thats the main goal of it.

Spidey is not coming back and you know it, PSI TROLL. I could manage part or all of it, I have way enough free time. If someone else wants we can share the work of course, or you can dismiss my "candidateness", I don't wanna impose myself to you guys ;)

 

Elo, like Colargolator said, will encourage high-tier clans to fight high-tier clans. The beautiful thing about elo that was flawed with the MLK point system is that there is a much lesser reward when a clan that is high-tier beats one that is low-tier. For example, say Zen is at 3,000 elo and hat is at 2,000 elo. If Zen wins, let's say they only get 4 points (which hat also loses), which might be 1/5 of what they would get by beating a clan closer to their own elo. However, if Zen loses, hat would gain 100 points, which might be 5x the normal amount (which Zen also loses). Due to the balance of this system, the only way to effectively gain points is to win again clans with equal or higher elo. Another perk of this system is that newer clans can play more experienced clans without fear of losing too much elo upon a loss.

No clan should shy away from a clan war with the elo system, because the difference in clan skill is always factored in and gains/losses in points are balanced accordingly.

 

ok I get it wrong but theres one thing that confuses me about your explanation....

wouldnt hat be at 10,000 elo and zen 1,000 elo?

 

So good evening everybody, I'll tell you about a new tournament that will open these doors may be in July!
(Please tell me what you think about it)
@Geti @daskew87 @Leo @Guro @makmoud98 @8x @Skinney @Ej @Rayne @SpideY @StarskyGianni

This tournament will be called "Throne"
The purpose of this tournament is to show who is the real best clan of KAG!

You all know how work the MLK?

Well, imagine that all takes place in the same way to something close.

How does it work ?

• You have to play a quick match against another clan with "official rules" (small rounds with an official map pool).
  
• You have to report your match here with a proper template.
• After the clan war, one player of each clan needs to approve the match result in the right thread.
• You will get 2 points for a victory, 1 point for a tie and 0 point for a loss.

1. The first part of the season consists of a freeplay period (3 months), where each clan faces one by one all the competitive clans of Kag! (there is much more competitive clans as you believe in Kag, they are not all in the "competitive" section of the forum.) It will of course forbidden to refuse a clan wars, against a clan, excepting if you have already a clan wars programmed for a weekend for example.
2. When the freeplay period of the season ends after 3 months, the top 4 clans advance into a playoff bracket.
   
3. The winner will become the best Kag clan and will be the owner of the throne of kag.

How take the throne ?

There will be 2 seasons in one year, one summer, one winter.
Each season is a new chance for a clan to become the owner of the throne!




If you like this project and you want to help me to realize it.
That's what you'll need:

• Some new maps in addition to the MLK with a unique map related to the "throne" that will be for the final of this tournament!
• A Logo
• 4 servers (EU, US East Coast, US West Coast, AUS) We can also use the servers of MLK that are still available
• A trailer, I'd like to see a picture of this style at the end : (But better! This is only a draft)

With a catchphrase like : Who will be the clan who will have the throne? Maybe you?
Apply now to the tournament "Throne" 'blah blah blah ^^


Thank you for having taken the time to read this text
~Snake

 

I really think we should try out the elo system instead of using the flawed MLK point system, which weighs number of clan wars done when determining rankings way more than it should.

 

I'll tell you where come from this idea.
During MLK, some big clans like AG and NMS can not play a clan wars during some weekends because many clans were frightened and did not want to play against us. (I am not saying this to boast us, this is the absolute truth, and it was a big drama)
That's why I insist on the rule:

It will of course forbidden to refuse a clan wars, against a clan, excepting if you have already a clan wars programmed for a weekend for example.

Oh also, @Blue_Tiger

That's why we always played against MIST during a period, because it was the ONLY CLAN who wanna play against us.

During the MLK @Lumeos and I thought at tournament where it will be forbidden to refuse a clan wars, and I propose you this tournament today.

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I do not know this system, someone can give me summarize about it? : /

 

I think I can get a decent trailer done in a couple of days. I have some cool movie maker skills I want to try out

 

Thank you kitty :)

 

Yeah, me too i saw them but as like you i don't know how that exactly works ^^ That's why i asked if someone can send me a summarize
I will try to understand the big text that T3rnary has send with my English skills, I already tried but it's really confusing ahah ^^'

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oh my god, I'm stupid! your question @t3rnary destabilized me haha :D

There is no need to having a "ELO" system, because each clan must fight once against each clan. we can not fight two times against the same clan.

in some ways if you win you scratch on your paper the clan you've beaten haha.

But with the points, a clan can return in force! and arrive in the top 4.
So they can play a new time against the clan who beated them before
Do you understand?

 

KAG's competitive scene is dying because every awesome pro ability, such as shield wall climbing, slash cancelling, etc tricks that define pros from noobs are nerfed or removed since that makes the game 'unfair'. It's like if EA decided that 360 Noscoping or the Radar that allows you to fire through walls at enemies by predicting their movement is too unfair for newbie players.

Maybe it is more fair to make sideways wooden walls easier to climb, but on the other hand the tactical advantage those walls offered was awesome and now they're basically just a wooden block you can shoot and walk through if positioned correctly.

Stuff like this is the reason I quit playing. I'm not even trying to lobby to change the game anymore, I'll just wait for Storm2D to take off and start playing that one instead. I came here for KAG and stayed because of friendships and because it was fun pwning newbs and then eventually watching as those noobs turned into vets, like Dargona and friends. If there was some unfair technique being used like boulder dropping, I raged about it a bit, and then I used it against them until I got good at using it myself and understood how it worked so I could defend myself against it properly.

What also made '11 to '13 better than '14 to '15 was that we always had that feeling of 'oh man, what's gonna be added in the next update?! can't wait!" but now that the game is nearing its final phases, there'sno more substantiative content being added, and it feels like every update is just bugfixes and nerfs. Bugfixes are great. Nerfs, not so much. Reminds me of that one comic...

 

Sorry for not responding all day, I'm going on a tech detox plus I'm busy. It'a 10:35 pm here

Spidey, I think for the tournament you can have it your way (subway, eat fresh), but I think the regular seasons should definitely be what Colarg and Btiger said. Sounds a lot more fun. Just discovered WWE2k15 a few weeks ago, and the way they (and ofc official WWE) handle their matches is probably the slickest way I've seen an organization handle stuff like that.

I think we should also have a rule that if you're not active for both seasons (Summer and Winter Seasons is what we agreed on, right?) you get kicked out.

I would be happy (I'm really excited that there's a possibility of improving clans) to put in the work and organize stuff.

 

I agree with you on that, and I feel that Kag beta became "dead" as people say from the moment the bug "infinite wall climbing" was removed.

By cons there is something that begins to seriously annoy me is people who say that the game is in the process of dying and rattle all the time because of that.
The worst is when they say they will be leaving kag because of that!
I see what kind of players every day!
and I so want to tell them to shut their mouths, sorry but this is unbearable, when you are a true fan of Kag.

(Excuse me @Geti, I'm gonna pissed on you, though I love you.)

I always ask me something, GETI When will you save this game! Fuck! When you gonna start a promotion on Steam to bring the players, find a solution to bring the players!? You know what? I have the BEST POSSIBLE SOLUTION! change Kag Beta as free, people who bought kag beta will have access to all the skins and other things. While people who did not buy Kag will simply have one skin like Kag Classic.

by the way, I am sure you will earn money thanks to this.