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The community's thoughts on my way of providing mercy. Is it griefing?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by an_obamanation, Apr 19, 2016.

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Is "mercy" fair or not?

This poll will close on Apr 19, 2026 at 3:04 AM.
  1. No it's not, your knowledge of your team will give you an unfair advantage.

    11.1%
  2. Yes it's fair, it's also rather kind of you.

    33.3%
  3. Yes it's fair, but you may be potentially creating a stalemate.

    16.7%
  4. Yes it's fair, because you're so shit it doesn't matter lolz.

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  5. REBEL SCUM!

    38.9%
  1. an_obamanation

    an_obamanation The boss Donator

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    I'm definitely not the best player on KAG and many of the elites will most likely say I suck, but I can tell that I have atleast somewhat of a positive influence on a battlefield. So what I like to do is switch to the losing team if possible and help them try to recover from a losing position. However I feel like this can be taken as griefing especially when I hear people scream "Traitor!" at me. Basically, is it griefing to go help out a losing team? I understand it being griefing if you have the flag in your hands and then switch teams or something but in other cases is this acceptable or no? I like doing this not to grief or be an asshole but for the opposite reason actually, I want some people who are putting a lot of effort to win a match and care about winning to have a little bit more of a chance and to maybe help them win. I like rooting for underdogs, so I also like helping underdogs. The reason I feel like this can be considered griefing is that if i'm playing builder and I place traps on one team, then switch. I know where these traps are as well as other traps my team may have placed, so it gives me a scouting advantage that could be considered unfair. I could also potentially know about my teams plans if I see the team chat, or know where some of my team is like if they were tunneling. This could give me an insanely unfair advantage especially if it's a tunnel that'll win one team the game. Lot's of the time the team I switch to ends up losing anyway but my advice and ideas do help them stay alive for a while longer. What do you guys think of this?
     
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  2. toothgrinderx

    toothgrinderx Ballista Bolt Thrower Staff Alumni Tester Official Server Admin

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    " I wantsome people who are putting a lot of effort to win a match and care aboutwinning to have a little bit more of achance and to maybe help them win."

    If your team is about to win, then they obviously put in more effort, your logic is flawed.

    No it's not griefing but you are a definitely a scumbag traitor. Pick a team early in the match and have some loyalty why don't ya. :^|
     
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  3. an_obamanation

    an_obamanation The boss Donator

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    A team being about to win doesn't mean that it put more effort, it just means that it was more skilled. If the game was a close game in terms of skill then my logic is flawed but if it's some new players giving it everything they have and they're getting curb stomped by elites then I want to help out the newbies. I guess i'll stop doing it for when the match is super close
     
  4. toffie0

    toffie0 is sweeter than you <3 Global Moderator Forum Moderator Tester

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    My thoughts on it basically reflect Tooth's.

    Yes, it may be because your team is skilled, but they try as well. There are other factors then just 'skill' that contribute to winning, strategy is one of these. The team that wins, usually wins for a reason, yes it may be skill, but there are other factors. If the other team try's harder, they can build a stone wall to block the 'skilled' knight. Etc.

    I see this as not grieving, but highly unfair as the winning team usually wins for a reason, changing the odds would feel unfair and unjust and betrayed. This can also cause large arguments.

    Another thing I want to bring up is if you change team, team balence can be an issue. Don't think anyone's a fan of the system spamming chat fir this.
     
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  5. an_obamanation

    an_obamanation The boss Donator

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    Me switching teams actually helps team balance, as i'm unable to switch when the teams are equal. Thanks for the feedback guys, I just wanted to see how it played down. I was doing it to make people happy but I can see how it would make my older team unhappy, I was mainly doing it to try and show sportsmanship and to show that winning isn't everything, it's the journey and all that jazz. If you guys feel like I should stop it then i'll stop it, just a little thing I liked doing. Thank you very much.
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  6. toothgrinderx

    toothgrinderx Ballista Bolt Thrower Staff Alumni Tester Official Server Admin

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    You're teaching bad players to rely on someone good to help carry them, fighting better players is good for their chops.

    The exception of course is when it's simply a slaughterfest, but in 9/10 matches you can look at the scoreboard in build time, know which team is weaker and help them from the start.
     
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  7. an_obamanation

    an_obamanation The boss Donator

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    I never thought about it that way, that's very true. This is sorta the reason why I posted the thread in the first place, make sure it's ethical within the KAG community and if it's not, well, guess that idea goes in the crockpot. So thank you for all the responses, they've been very helpful. :wink:
     
  8. Yagger

    Yagger Kouji's bitch 5eva Staff Alumni Tester
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    If a team is getting stomped and players are leaving, I openly swap teams to even the scores.

    Where's the fun without a little challenge?
     
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  9. Mazey

    Mazey Haxor Global Moderator Forum Moderator Staff Alumni Donator Official Server Admin

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    When the teams are unbalanced I always switch to the losing team, defending is more fun in my opinion and being able to do something rather than mindlessly pushing with a bunch of knightd and rekking the enemy
     
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  10. BarsukEughen555

    BarsukEughen555 Ballista Bolt Thrower

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    REBEL SCUM
    what's the goal is making a lot of effort in your team (especially as builder) and then just destroy this effort by your own hands? illogical, disapprove, name u rebel scum
     
  11. Psiklaw

    Psiklaw Bison Rider

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    this thread responses in a nutshell
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    Also griefing is griefing, doint meta-game roleplay stuff is ok. In my experience people don't even notice griefers until they destroy something and then it's too late, so if anyone calls you a TRAITOR! you can always swear your loyalty to the Galactic Empire and do a few spins to demonstrate your support to the Emperor, as they are probably wrong. Either that or you will get votekicked for no actual reason.
     
  12. Sytoplasma

    Sytoplasma Haxor

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    Seeing as KAG will auto swap a random person if it doesn't even out, those little ingrates probably deserve to git rekt. I think it's admirable to willingly swap teams even though your current team has the momentum.
     
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  13. enderzilla747

    enderzilla747 Bison Rider Tester

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    REBEL SCUM! I chose that. I chose that because, LOYALTY TO THE EMPIR-choose a team before the game begins and stick with them. Though if you get auto-bal, and there's not much you can do about it anymore,then continue on as the Enemy. OK, Republic and Galactic Empire. Republic troopers "Switch sides" against their will. Becoming the "Enemy" which didn't exist but now they are their own. Some stayed the same. Republic. Their LOYALTY was to the "Jedi" or some other outside source. Troopers who "switched teams" and those who stayed loyal to (insert here) and later fought the "Switched team troopers." What a odd way to integrate StarWars into this which may be entirely wrong while someone proves me wrong later. Oh well.
     
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  14. l3afysamz

    l3afysamz Ballista Bolt Thrower

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    I was always a rebel scum..