[228] Builder Discussion

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Changes build 203-228:

- added pre-game launcher

- added (windows only for now) ingame web browser with links to:
(manual, wiki, IRC chat, creating account)

- added server favorites

- added in-game Manual by SirSalami

- removed player name mouse hover chat

- clicked server in server browser updates ping meter icon

- improved first ping performance in server browser

- added double click join to server browser

- added building time/match started information in server preview

- added menu music

- changed collapse physics

- fixed ambient sounds

- fixed screenshot folder on Linux

- fixed crash in editor mode when jumping on bridge

- fixed builder can't pick 3rd heart

- fixed door pick sound being wood

- builder has to stand still to build

- autoupdater does not require restart

- changed collapse physics

- console accepts \ and / for commands

- bridge takes 20 wood

- bridges and ladders can't be built only against dirt background

- optimized all game object collisions

- icons in scoreboard are double size

- class icons point in same direction and builder is distinguished from sword more

- can't shield against falling blocks

- can't destroy rooms after match has started (anti-griefing)

- fixed far view on fixed camera for lower resolutions

- added disclaimer after server startup for sv_allow_globals_mods variable

- rooms require 5 hits to destroy

- changed some HUD fonts (including above head chat)

- added command-line option to start server with specific ip,port,slots eg.
ip 123.124.125.126 port 50213 slots 32

- added break_time_static for a build time that doesn't change with number of players

 

Knights can OHKO gates now? Everything is so buggy and glitchy I don't know whats what lol

 

It doesn't appear that builders have to stand still to build.

 

Acavado, they do need to stand still. Try running and holding the build button, your char will slow down and place the block only after he stopped moving. It just is hardly any different than before since we can still build while jumping (as long as we don't move I think). So yeah... No idea what exactly is affecting us here... to me its a very VERY minor change.

Mainly the changed block drop physics are interesting to me. Lets see how much we can do with that now.

 

It is pretty minor, yeah. It seems it's not that you need to stand still to build, but that it makes you stand still if you run along the ground. It doesn't seem to apply if you're in midair and considering how spastic my arrow tapping is, that's fine by me.

The new block drop physics are pretty sweet. You can drop blocks on to ledges and let it bounce slide off the ledge. You could potentially make a block slide that invites enemies to start trying to climb it and then send down your boulder. I'm wanting to do some experiments to see how that all works. Which way it slides and all that. Block movement is more consistent than I first thought.

 

Annoying ass builders can still drop stone blocks way too easy in tunnels to stop you. Dont think theres an easy solution to this though without severely gimping builders overall.

Maybe builders could have greatly slowed block placing speed and range if they have moved in the last few seconds? But to counter act it, if they stand still a few seconds they have faster building speed and range than they do now?

 

Crafting blocks through a crafting table... oh wait thats the mine craft way.

 

Like I said I think the builder changes in this build are sorta easy-going... they almost don't matter... The hindrance of not moving is minor and mostly only means that blocks are placed "slightly" later than usual. Why even introduce such a change? it seems a little pointless, I mean I dont mind it at all, I just thought builders would change quite a bit from playing the test build... and well... they don't.

 

New collapse mehanic gimpes block dropping builders...A lot.
Looks cooler than it was,but please!Make 1 stone block always fall vertical without changing direction,if it wasnt connected with other blocks.

 

A tip for offensive builders (builders who assault the enemy, and provide ladders for teammates up front); don't be afraid of enemy knights if you've got a friendly knight around. If your friendly knight is going against an enemy 1v1, clearing the way so you can place your ladders or whatever, don't just stand there or retreat, help him out! While you teammate is assaulting the poor knight, help by harrasing him too; jump on him and swing manically. This is very frustrating for the enemy knight, as he will try to target you, but forget that you have just as much health as him, and he won't have the chance to do a full charge. Builders are a great distraction.

EDIT 20.12.11

Just found out that builders (or any class for that matter) can pre-charge catapults. Just charge the cata to desired firing power, and press c to pick it up. When you drop the cata, it will fire at that charge level.

This is extremely useful, and heaps of fun for just shotgunning enemy knights.

EDIT Wyeth: Please dont double post

 

I can imagine having a cata with 5% hp left,"cook" a bomb,lay in,throw it from your tower into attackers.They'll try to shoot it and boom! -greed kills poor cata user.

Or it won't work?

 

Even better Rayne; cook the bomb till it has about a second left, pop it in the cata, charge the cata at a third of full firing power, pick up the cata, and throw it for an extended lob (and it looks cool).