ArL - Arthurian League

Bad time to announce I would like to add a prize pool to ArL?

 

Nah continue :D

 

(The FS is two person) and also money perhaps $10 per person, maybe less. Depends on the hype at the finals.

 

Well fuck if we knew there would be prizes we wouldn't have been sandbagging all these matches.

 

Spoiler: Spoiler Hint

 

Ugh. Like Hella said, this is going around in circles. Every time this argument is about to cool down, people who haven't read the previous posts bring up the same arguments back around. Thus, we have to explain our side by rephrasing our old posts, again and again.

Please. Have you seen our Aussies? They've only played twice this ArL and got a steamroll win. They did exceptionally better than our NA team as well during the POWER Civil War.

Like we've been saying countless times, it's not about winning at all costs. It's about having all our players actually play. If we wanted to win at all costs like Verra repeated ten times, we'd pick an Aussie server every single time. Also, that's the fucking point of a home/away server. We've played on EU servers with one European and still had fun. Lag doesn't stop the fun. It actually increases it cause "lol I can fly into their base when I slash anyone and it bugs out"

All games are exciting. Everyone's just too focused on the lag.

Would be a good idea if the person running ArL is capable of picking a server that won't screw up half the players of a clan, if we can't handle simple home/away servers, we can't handle having one person who hopefully is unbiased to decide for all.

Another thing, POWER has 5 ties. If we wanted to win at all costs, we'd have camped from the beginning.

MOLE was right about ArL having little credibility. MOLE was stupid in the sense that all it took was two away servers for them to give up.

 

FS looks like a good game

 

Goddamn it, Right after I buy warband :(

 

Man, they play on aus. server.

 

We played for 2 hours on American server, then another 2 hours on Aussie server.

 

I'll just add a bit of something everybody seems to be missing (and also kill one or 2 tottaly legit arguments from POWER).

Currently, POWER has played 4 matches at home and that is against FAITH, PK#, Merc and YB. Against both Merc and YB it has played in NA while against PK# and FAITH it has played in Australia. See the issue here. If it was somehow vica verse nobody would complain.
If POWER chose American server for FAITH and PK# and therefor gave them a fighting chance (its possible to win with 233 ping, very hard but possible). And then gave YB and Merc on a Aussie server (since Merc can more or less recruit anybody on Aussie servers and YB has a enough Australian/West American presence to compete there). This leads to 2 conclusions:

1. POWER are setting us all up to score loades of wins, and this is all part of a "BIG PLAN".

2. They have no tactic, and this is all a accident.

The first theory also confirms that NA team is better then Australian one since they would need their "better" team to face YB/Merc on fair ground.

From my perspective this looks a lot like play2win, and not a play2fun tactic.

 

actually merc picked a NA server and were having a hard time finding one to play on so one power member offered a west coast server (where we all live) and slept through the match so power picked an EU server. this is my only complaint about the whole thing. power picking the server twice. playing two home matches.

anyway. i'm over it all either way.

 

we played 3 rounds on aust. server & dat was most terrible game ever.

 

If tl;dr, skip to SOLUTION.

Okay, people. Somehow didn't receive updates on this, so I kinda missed most of it. Now I skimmed through it. I'm sorry, I did not read everything. I'll try to adress the key points as good as possible. If I missed something, please post your things the short, concise way Vidar did, that would be very nice of you.

I'll do my best to paraphrase all the stuff here so we can move forward. It will be incomplete. Sorry for that.

• My initial point: Playing with 400 ping is not fair. Therefore, we have to limit server choices and effectively exclude Australia.

• Symphony_Soldier's point: Everyone wants to field his best team, taking that from POWER would not be fair. Also, score system loses its meaning if this happens. For the finals: Other teams should perform better if they want another server.

• Verra's point: We earned the rights to choose the server by winning league matches, and the ping situation is not all that bad (KAG measuring is inaccurate, own experience). Limiting server choices would be unfair since you can't blame the Australians for wanting to play a match at home. Furthermore, this would be a biased decision towards the advantage of EU/NA. Also, if the other clans have a problem, they should get better/more international members. Excluding a huge playerbase is not fair.

• Aoi's point: POWER should use their NA teams and/or play with AUS people in NA to prove that they don't just win by ping, since they also have a viable US team.

• Spidey's point: Situation is similar to Soldat, internationality causing troubles.

• BeasterDenBeast's point: Point system is rendered useless, POWER is not treated like the other clans, their EU/NA teams are not the best solution for them.

• Kouji's point: Aussie side of argumentation invalid since a middle ground is available.

• Ej's point: EU can win in NA, NA can win in EU, but EU/E-NA can't win in AUS.

There was more stuff, but it got redundant. Sorry for paraphrasing your opinions kinda wrong, people, but this is unproductive.

SOLUTION:
Let us seperate two questions here:
1. What to do about the server choice in the finals?
2. What to do about the server choice in the next season?

Possible solutions:
A) Limit to EU/NA. Aussies would get 200 ping all the time.
B) Cape Town. Make everyone lag equally.
C) Keep as-is. With arguably autowinning in AUS servers.

My answer to 1: If you want to have your will die-hard and make no amends, you can have that. It is a very unsporty behaviour, no matter how many words you use to conceive that. I leave the server choice for the finals to you and hope the best.

My answer to 2: I won't have this again. Considering the three solutions, C drops out for me since the ping difference is visible, and everyone but Verra (no offense) seems to have had this experience. I go by majority here. If you disagree, get a bunch of people that back up your point and I'll change it. B is most fair, but not most fun, I would think. Having an advantage/disadvantage situation only a tiny bit makes stuff interesting. Weaker teams can have fun and beat a team that's a bit stronger. Good time. So, the only viable option for me seems A. Australians and POWER are still welcome and I mean no offense, but for the sake of the other 6 clans in the league, we have to change stuff.
That's my decision. Please proceed as above and collect people backing you up, then forward a list of those to me. If this is enough people, I will change things. Until then, I won't, since this is in no way objective.


A word on the organisation of this season:
A small team did most of the stuff. We had no previous experience with a competitive KAG scene. For that, stuff went quite well. We learned a lot and will be able to host a better second season. I'm sorry stuff went wrong. It's mostly me doing things. You are welcome to help, I made a list of things you can do in the ArL group. Get involved and help improving.
We don't gain anything by spotting all the troubles afterwards and leaving me off to fix it. I'm not a mastermind at it. Provide help and it gets better. Thank you.

This was made for fun, keep it fun. Everyone, try to make it a good time for everyone else and no trouble will emerge.

 

Don't worry I'll make the rewards for season 2 as I think too much controversy at the moment, which is unneeded.

 

No way! They must play in Syberia!