Remove Boulder Drilling [984]

Yes, because asides from knights being able to break bridges anyway, I TOTALLY don't want to be able to get back into my base or anything, so it's cool if you just block me out.

 

Just because it wasn't necessarily an accident, doesn't mean it isn't broken. >__>'

I want to get the devs in a game of TTH and show them just how fast a single person can win the game with boulder spam.

 

The problem is that there isn't a practical counter to it. In TTH, every base needs doors. In CTF, at least one flag room needs doors unless you want to have to mine out the flag each time you cap.

The only real counter possible (the one @Darksteel suggested earlier in the thread), is extremely bad for your team, slows them down and funnels them into a death hallway.

There just needs to be some sort of method of building that will counter boulders more effectively.

Either that, or small nerfs to boulders to enable effective building against them.

 

Spoiler

Move the doors down square 101i.

 

Just a thought, how many people would've seen this thread and with a demonic grin on their face said "I'm going to do this non-stop." Maybe this thread is the cause of it spreading.

 

Tbh, this is probably the source of it, a notable increase in Boulder usage was reported after this guide went up.

https://forum.kag2d.com/threads/935-boulder-dasher-knight-siege-weapon.17056/#post-264918

#ShamelesslyPromotingMyOwnGuide

 

No regrets whatsoever.

But seriously the start of this thread probably brought it from 1 in 20 to 5 in 20 per game from what I've experienced over the past few days. People see complaining and decide it must work so well.

 

and yet the complaint would not have been filed if people weren't already abusing it.

In general, skilled players tend to know what the fuck is going on around them, so any decent players already knew how to use it.

If you're complaining about a ton of pubs who aren't very good at the game starting to use it, boulder drilling is OP, but it's not THAT op; unless they're doing the douchebag archer grapple to the last base on the map and boulder drill in thing, you should still be able to stop bad knights who aren't good at fighting with them in the first place.

 

101i... why did you have to mention that!?! now there going to want intense nerfs on Knights with Boulders too...

 

chicken knights only good if you have insanely high tower with trampoline to jump off of, and extremely obvious to see.

 

I've been playing KAG since it was released on Steam and finally registered here to post about this. It hasn't been until the past few weeks that I have noticed boulder drilling becoming widespread on pubs, and I think it is really harmful to the game.

My main complaint is that boulder drilling upsets the class balance. It shouldn't be easy for a knight to destroy fortifications, especially with an item that doesn't have to be researched and doesn't cost very much. The boulder is better than the drill because the drill costs way more, has to be researched, overheats, and is worse in combat. The boulder can destroy doors more effectively than a builder with almost no downsides.

This situation really weakens the class role of the builder. Why even bother going offensive builder when you can be way more effective as a boulder knight? It discourages teamwork and makes builders even more insignificant. Why should one class be able to both destroy fortifications and have powerful offensive skills? It's not like before this became popular, it was easy to build an invincible fortress.

I feel like the people who are really defending boulder-drilling are "pro" players who enjoy that they have been able to exploit a game mechanic to make knights far more powerful. I understand this, but I think it's important to step back and take a look at the meta-game. This is a small community, and it can be hard as it is to find a good server to play on. Boulder drilling is really hostile to low-skill players, and makes building extremely frustrating (which is of course the favorite activity of low-skill players). I hate it when a server is full of useless minecrafters as much as the next guy, but if knights can just blast through the map easily destroying fortifications, not only do I think it is bad for the overall game balance, I guarantee it will result in a lot of people quitting the game.

 

This thread a little over a month old, and hasn't had any response from a developer as far as I can tell. Sorry for continuing the discussion.

I thought I laid out a pretty good explanation for why I was complaining. I haven't played classic, why should I care how it worked?