On being useless

Time after time, when I actually pause and observe other players, I notice that most builders spend their time standing around, or wandering, as if not knowing what to do. When the game starts and the rush should be happening, I sometimes see a builder just hopping left and right behind the spawn, or doing some other repetitive motion as if bored. I don't think it's explicitly communicated in the tutorial that doing nothing takes up a slot and harms the team, especially when you mistake these things for actual teammates and ask them to do stuff. 99% of the time, builders will not respond to a direct order issued directly at them by name.
In one memorable TTH game, I came back to the base after ten minutes and the shops were all still unconverted, in their default, useless state. There were two builders sitting behind the base in stone chairs they had made, spamming emotes at each other and role playing that they were kings or some stupid shit.
It's actually a difficult class to play effectively, and this should be somehow made clear, since currently the people who play builder are some of the dumbest sub-humans to discover their parents' credit cards.

 

I've seen many times where games where 1 team got a great early start but lost it after a while just because of the intelligence of some players in their team as builders. Yesterday I was in a CTF game and we got a great start and nabbed one of their flags early however we soon lost that advantage because 3/4s of the team were builders and even when I said we needed more knights they just ignored me. So it was myself and 2 other knights and an archer vs about 8 knights coming at us. In the end we ended up loosing because only a couple of the builders eventually changed to knights and we couldn't get the advantage back because the builders weren't there when we needed them.

 

Yeah, there's no point building your defenses that much back at base because your team is either going to win or have the base slowly worn down by the enemy. We need more offensive builders or at least ones that work on towers somewhere near the middle of the map. I remember one time Shadlington told everyone to rush and our whole team went offensive and we curb-stomped them for around three matches in a row.

 

"Order" ? You can't give any "order", it's a game not the army. Get real, people will do what they like.

 

It's my turn to bitch audibly. This ain't the suggestions forum; I know you can't fix people. I'd just like to share the hate.

And an order is like, "make a knight shop" ten minutes into the game. Nope, builders continue hammering dirt.

 

It is annoying to build though, because half the time there is either not enough space, or someone has built a terrible defense, and you don't want to tear it down because you wouldn't have any defenses then or any time to build a new one, or someone comes over and fucks up your tower.

 

depends on the person i guess. i always love building. i only dont like when i join a game and theres no trees and the stone is exhausted. then i have to depend on teammates giving me resupply and 90% of players dont know anything about that. ive had to educate mid-game but its easier giving up.

btw vampire is going to give some of the kiddos on the forum a fucking nightmare with that sig of his.

 

The worst for me is hundreds of seconds of archer and knight just doing nothing during the building phase.

On a builder side note: rock building is costly. Add more resources in map or dropped crates.

 

I, too, love stalling the games forever

 

How about... and this is a long shot... but why not GET SHIT DONE YOURSELF.

I think it was Sun Tzu that said, "If some kids are RPing on a non-RP server, do the shit they are suppose to do and then try to kick them."

Also,

Just be happy, there is much worse than this occurring in other games.

I quit WoW after 3 years of playing after I walked in on a virtual lap dance in Goldshire. After that, I looked at what I was playing and quit (selling my account for a few hundred bucks) after realizing this happened way too much for me.

If you see THAT happening in KAG (excluding Arcrave and Yagger) then theres a problem.

 

the real problem is not having enough fish in a game to eat

 

By the time you've gone through the trouble of changing class/starting a votekick, it's a lost cause anyway. Every time I go builder, our team gets overrun and it isn't safe to build, because I was one of very few knights, and usually the best. On the other hand, builders who are conveniently situated and would be of great help will do nothing. This kind of waste will wear down a team. That's why it's frustrating when said builders decide to build a trap behind the spawn when your team is stuck in the base and flooded with enemies.
When it gets to the point where the sole remaining player on the previous losing team throws a temper tantrum and starts wordlessly hammering every block I build, I don't bother to start a votekick or !guard (for which I'd need to have recorded it, peer-reviewed it, published it in a respected journal and attracted at least a million hits on Youtube to be believed); I just leave.

 

To translate my sarcasm...

What I meant was:

If you see a player or players goofing around, you can take it into your own hands to try to make them do what they should be doing. If it matters so much, just ask them to get back to playing the game how it should be played. If they don't listen to you, it is again up to you whether you want to get involved further or not.

Should, is a matter of opinion is some cases, FYI

So, the example I used was when I quit WoW:

As I told you, I saw two people RPing a lap dance in a town in WoW. They weren't hurting anybody. They weren't greifing the game. Nothing they were doing was wrong.

Now, after 3 years, I had no real life friends playing anymore. After seeing that, I didn't want to become the guy getting a virtual lap dance from a night elf who may have been a man IRL. So I left.

Whether or not I overreacted is your opinion. Yeah I completely overreacted, but w/e, I made money

But the whole point to my half ass'd, fully sarcastic post, was that you have a few options when a problem arises. Making sure to FIRST check to see if it actually a PROBLEM.

1. Ignore it exists entirely
2. Acknowledge the problem and try to make them do what you want
3. Acknowledge the problem, play knowing that you are down some players, and change yourself
4. Leave

And there is a 5th option, which many people seem to choose.

5. Bitch about it

 

New idea: Yiu can star a vote to kick someone for being usless, however if the vote sucseedes the player will be kicked out but instantaneously replaced with a Arcrave AI that will spam chat with profanity.

 

How about replace team with migrants.
"Hello!"
"Friend!"
Now there's an agenda I can get behind.