Water Changes General

Yeah, it had to be done.

I think that almost all of us on the forums can agree that SOMETHING needs to done about water and water combat in KAG. I'm not talking about water bombs and water arrows, I'm talking about bodies of water and boats when I say water combat.

I'll start off by stating what I think could be done about water combat to fix it:
Why are dinghies so slow and expensive? As of now, dinghies are useless, so here is what I suggest about them. Reduce knight and builder's swimming speed, keeping archers at the same speed, speed up dinghies, and make them cost either 100 wood from builder shop or 30 coins from knight shop (numbers could be subject to change). Also to prevent dinghy spam with cheaper prices, make them have boulder-like properties so you can't stack them on each other.

feel free to discuss. and this will probably end up becoming a shit-hole like the archer or the knight thread, but hey, I wanted to say something about water combat, and the discussion would have just changed into this anyways, so I saved the admins a bit of work.

 

Umm, I thought dinghys did cost 100 wood. Yeah it's from the boat shop, but you can basically get a free dinghy every respawn. If only they didn't suck, along with the other boats. There is basically no reason to get the boats, they're expensive as shit and they die really fast. It's a real shame because water combat is almost fun with boats.

Actually if boats didn't suck ass I think that would solve most of the problems with water maps - and I'm not usually bothered by smaller water pools, it's the ocean maps that are the real problem.

It would be nice if people could think of good ideas to fix water combat, but I feel like it would be easier to just make boat combat more feasible. We're working with stuff we already have that way.

And god bless you for making this thread, I doubt it will turn into a shithole because the archer/knight threads are 90% just archer players and knight players yelling at each other. This isn't as two sided.

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Seriously, I love boat fights. Earlier today I was playing on one of those god awful mudpuddle maps and it had gotten to the point where builders destroyed all of the islands for some reason. People slogged around in the mud for a while and accomplished fucking nothing. And then there were boats. War boats smashing dinghys into splinters, people getting stuck under boats, emote spam as people rowed boats around and smashed everyone in their way, knights blowing up literal boatloads of people. It wasn't so bad then.

 

Turtles are still dangerous and potatoes can be poisonous.

Anyways, boats were originally stronger, but they were too strong because they were tough to take down. I'd say that the issue stems from the fact that there's no real reason to build a boat when you can swim in water.

If only longboats and dinghies were a bit faster, I'd think that'd probably resolve the issue of water combat. As of currently, it's faster to slash swim or grapple around underwater to move faster. Speed should only be around 1.2x faster with a dinghy and maybe 1.3 times faster with 2 people on a long boat. I don't think that War boats need to be faster since they are a mobile spawn point, can ram castles next to land, and can be used for attacking if they have a bow gun. Also, I don't really think you need to make them have more health if they were faster since they wouldn't be sitting ducks anymore.

 

We had slow movement in water and it was frustrating because it caused stalemates. The people on land could easily fend of any attackers for literally hours because the difference in advantage was that huge. It didn't matter how good the attacking team was in that case.

It could go differently though if boats get increased speed and are more useful, but it'd definitely would have to be tested in a full game before it'd be considered.

I'm pretty sure it's possible to change the speed in water, but you'd probably have to ask someone to do it.

 

Re: boat changes - they're in the next build, which will hopefully get tested over the week and released around Friday. longboats and dinghies are faster, warboats don't ram tiles and longboats do, which gives each of them a set purpose.

I'd like to make some set purpose "upgrades" to dinghies as well (things like add a keg = demolition ship, add a drill = breaching ship, add mounted bow = small attack boat) but I don't think I'll get that much time this cycle since I've got other work to do and exams to study for.

 

Those ones provided are just examples - a trampoline boat would be lots of fun :^)