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Tutorial squad reactivated - KAG CRASH COURSE

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by archont, Nov 9, 2011.

  1. archont

    archont Shopkeep Stealer

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    The last attempt at creating a tutorial for KAG got quiet and disappeared off the map. With the influx of new players a tutorial is needed now as ever. We got some youtube videos out there and Salami's excellent manual but what is needed is something easily digestable that covers the basics in brief.

    Totalbiscuit's KAG coverage showed us how a new player thinks and what problems he encounters. We need a video that a player like TB watches and knows, more or less, how to play the game. This is a CRASH COURSE, not a strategy guide!

    What we want:
    - short
    - concise
    - basics
    - interface
    - non-obvious stuff
    - as visually descriptive as possible

    What we don't want
    - a strategy guide
    - long videos
    - spontaneous narration

    Contrary has agreed to coordinate this. Here we give ideas and feedback.

    We want this video to be short and sweet enough to watch even by someone with a short attention span.

    A) spectator mode
    0) mention of build version that this tutorial is based on
    1) Brief introduction - 2D multiplayer team-based indie game by MM & Geti
    2) CTF mode / goal of game
    3) Win / lose conditions, tickets
    4) Mentioning of classes and their roles

    B) player mode(knight)
    5) introduction to radial menu, choosing class
    6) moving mechanics, notch jumping, traversing doors, ladders and bridges
    7) shield
    8) stab, charge
    9) goomba stomping
    10) bombs (+ mention of workshops) , MENTION and depiction of bomb-jumping
    11) shieldgliding

    C) player mode (archer)
    12) arrows
    13) chopping down trees
    14) 3 fire modes for archer
    15) ducking and climbing trees (mention of goomba stomping not doing damage)
    16) arrow ladders

    D) player mode (builder)
    17) how to mine resources
    18) free resources at buildup
    19) walls
    20) doors
    21) bridges and ladders
    22) spikes (shown with bridges)
    23) workshops in more detail, quarters

    E) spectator mode
    24) catapults
    25) outposts
    26) how to build simple the simplest possible fortifications
    27) have fun!

    We need a limit on video length - 10 minutes seems a reasonable time - as well as a due date so we actually finish it - 1st of december seems like a good date.

    Looking for feedback on what to add/remove from the above list. Did I miss something non-obvious? Or maybe there are things which shouldn't belong in a crash course?
     
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  2. Contrary

    Contrary The Audacious Paramount of Explosive Flight Donator Tester

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    Human Resources

    Recording/Editing: Shadlington, Neat, Cryptly, Czubai
    Voice: Neat, Shad, Contrary, Kyzak
    Hosting: Shad, Dwatring, Czubai
    Actors: Shadlington, Neat, Contrary, Kyzak, Carver, SpitfireZero, Dwatring, Czubai, Trae, Darksteel, Knighthart, Allknowingfrog

    Please post if you can help. It would also be a big help to start hanging around IRC as well.
     
  3. Knighthart

    Knighthart is love Donator

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    What do you need help with?
    That team seems pretty reasonable to me, it's not like you need 10 people to show bombjumping or anything right?
     
  4. Contrary

    Contrary The Audacious Paramount of Explosive Flight Donator Tester

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    The thing is it's really difficult to get everyone at the same place at the same time even once. For this we'll have to do that again and again to complete it. It helps a lot to have more than the bare minimum. Plus if there is a lot of extra we can just film multiple things at once.
     
  5. Knighthart

    Knighthart is love Donator

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    Huh.
    Well, if you guys figure out a specific time, I'll see if I can join.
    I have some free time on my hands the next few days.
     
  6. Shadlington

    Shadlington THD Team THD Team Administrator Global Moderator

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    Stickying this sucker.

    This is a serious community efforts that kag needs.

    Get involved.
     
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  7. Darksteel

    Darksteel The see me Boulderin', they hatin'. Donator
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    I suppose I could lend a hand, what time/place?

    ...so long as I get credited for helping ; )
     
  8. Darksteel

    Darksteel The see me Boulderin', they hatin'. Donator
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    You neglected tunneling, which is pretty basic, though I suppose it could be covered under mining resources. still thought I should mention it.
     
  9. Trae

    Trae Shopkeep Stealer

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    Im ready to help with acting, and if you need some ideas/suggestions, try to say it slighty in advance, and i will get on Irc.
    A couple of suggestions: The hardest thing to learn for me was knight combat, as when to stab, when to slash, and when to shield is quite hard to get in the start. Ofcourse this is also skill related, but important.
    Archer is actually more straightforward, but have a higher skillcap.
    How to properly make buildings as builder is also important, but that part is kinda obvious.
    A thing knights often forget is actually to defend their archers and builders, and to hunt down the other builders, they are the highest priority target!
     
  10. Shadlington

    Shadlington THD Team THD Team Administrator Global Moderator

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    A friend of mine played kag for the first time last night, for about 20 mins.
    I asked him about the pain points he encountered.

    The first problem (that causes other problems) was that his window size was too big, so its bottom was cut off - along with significant parts of the UI. He couldn't figure out how to resize it to fix this.

    He couldn't see the controls display that shows when you're new, so he didn't know what the controls were and at first struggled to work out how to change class - eventually he found E by accident.

    As a builder, he was confused by how other builders were building stone walls. He mined stone but was only able to build 'something made out of wood'.

    Finally... He wondered why he couldn't register an account from within the game.

    It would have been better if I'd sat with him and saw what he was struggling with, but this was still pretty good.
    I'll try and get some other folks to play for the first time and see if I can watch them do it.
     
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  11. Knighthart

    Knighthart is love Donator

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    Guess he just didn't find the build menu and kept building ladders.
     
  12. allknowingfrog

    allknowingfrog Bison Rider

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    I'm no master, but I'm available most evenings (US central time) if you need another actor. I'll try to start haunting the IRC.
     
  13. Contrary

    Contrary The Audacious Paramount of Explosive Flight Donator Tester

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    Thank you new volunteers! Filming will start in a day or two once we get all the pieces together. I'll try to post a time up here but it would be a big help if you frequented IRC as well.
     
  14. Contrary

    Contrary The Audacious Paramount of Explosive Flight Donator Tester

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    Stuff is happening NOW. Get on IRC.
     
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  15. ilaks

    ilaks Bison Rider Donator

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    Can help with editing & hosting.
     
  16. Knighthart

    Knighthart is love Donator

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    Seeing as I'll most probably play Skyrim tomorrow, I wouldn't get much of the IRC anyways, but I'll frequently check out this thread if you can get something in.
     
  17. DarkDain

    DarkDain Shopkeep Stealer

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    So do you actually need anymore people to play as actors in this? I wouldnt mind being catafodder :3

    Also, could their be a short section showing some of the quick emoticons in the Q access, and demonstrate how they can be used to quickly communicate with the team? Or are they just not used enough in most games to worth teaching?
     
  18. Fellere825

    Fellere825 KAG Guard Tester

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    I'll be an actor on saturdays if you need me.
     
  19. trelawney

    trelawney KAG Guard Tester

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    A suggestion: script everything tightly, and make the project file (or equivalent in your editing suite) readily available for translations.
     
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  20. Shadlington

    Shadlington THD Team THD Team Administrator Global Moderator

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    When are we doing the voice over auditions?