The old wall jump [1239]

I want you back *Jackson 5 music* But in all seriousness, I feel like the old wall jump didn't need to be nerfed in the way it did. For one, all the TDM maps were designed around the old wall jump height, so unless someone wants to modify all the TDM maps to fit the new wall jump height it would just be better to have the old one back. Also, I don't think the mobility loss across all classes really did much. Knight's movement was already nerfed, archers have grapple so the only time the new wall jump affects them when they're charging a shot, and builders can just build over walls.

Maybe this is a silly idea, but I personally don't find this to be too far-fetched of an idea. I believe there are some people out there who would support this change as well, so I'm confident these aren't just my personal rantings.

 

I'm on both sides of this argument. I loved the wall jump/climb in the TDM maps but in a CTF map, it was way too over powered. Would there be a way to add the wall jump/climb back into TDM, without too much code for the devs.

 

I hate the wallclimb nerf. I originally thought it meant the infinite climb glitch was removed, but it turned out that AND regular wallclimbing were nerfed. Nerfing regular wallclimbing makes no sense as the maps are designed around it.

 

It was meant to give Builders a little more power to stop Knight zerg rush tactics, since Knights could get up incredibly high walls even without the infinite shield glide climbing (and without bombs).

 

You make a good point, the stalemates teamwork is certainly a good addition to the game.

 

Again, another pointless retort piece of witty insight by Klokinator.

Bad map design is to blame for many problems that KAG has. (Placing the flag right next to spawn comes to mind.) There seems to be a bit more of an effort recently to get the community involved in making new maps, so that's good. Hopefully we will be able to get some of the newer maps added to the official servers.

 

I like how you say this like it's a serious fact, yet placing the flag ON TOP of the spawn in Classic made for a much funner experience than placing it away from the spawn.

Of course, the real issue is that there's a flat respawn rate in classic instead of a variable rate based on where you die, whether near or far from your spawn.

 

Just cause a map is good on Classic doesn't make it good on the current build. It's not like they have widely different mechanics or anything. I agree entirely with your point your majesty. All iterations of KAG are one and the same.

 

Stalemates > games which are shorter than the build phase.

 

Problem: Games end too quickly because nobody builds good bases or has time to. Is the solution...
A. Nerf all movement so that people have more difficulty climbing towers and incidentally happen to break map design in the process? (That is, nearly every map seeing as the game was constructed around a set of movement mechanics and has been for months and months)
B. Increase build time so people can build bigger and better towers?
C. Find another way to make towers last longer, like making blocks take more hits to destroy?

 

B - No, 3 minutes is enough time wasted.
C - If a knight can push back archers for 10 seconds, he can do it for 15.

 

B does not address the fact that Builders had serious difficulties being aggressive and making front-line defenses.
C would just lead to more of the stalemates that you hate so much.

 

We all talk about one knight being able to win a game because they can float over defenses, but there where multiple things done to reduce mobility of the knight besides wall climbing. When wall climbing was nerfed it was nerfed for every class. I don't think giving back 1 block more of wall climbing will make the old super knight come back, it will just make the maps work well and add a little bit more movement to battle.

 

Archer has grapple, builder can use trap blocks and/or ladders to get over obstacles. I understand that infinite wall jump was a thing, but was outdone by archers anyway whereas wall climb was not. The reduced glide only really effects cross-map catapults.

 

@Auburn I'm not trying to suggest that the old infinite wall climb mechanic would be added back in. I don't want that either. I would just like the original wall climb height back.

 

I don't understand what you're trying to say.

 

You were saying it wasn't a huge change in terms of knight mobility because archers and builders were also affected - but both have (pretty much) free ways of getting over said wall. Knight now needs arrow ladders or bombs.