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please make an anti-cheat

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Nathan1100, Feb 25, 2015.

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  1. Nathan1100

    Nathan1100 Catapult Fodder

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    I can't count how many times i've been killed by someone ignoring my shield, please make an anti-cheat system for this game!!!!
     
    Nathan1100, Feb 25, 2015
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  2. Monsteri

    Monsteri Slower Than Light Tester

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    They're not cheating, they're just better.
     
    Monsteri, Feb 25, 2015
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  3. kedram

    kedram Drill Rusher Tester

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    Generally when that happens it's one of two things, lag which really effects everything in combat, or they just happen to be really good at combat, usually trying to slash over a shield can work but takes practice.
     
    kedram, Feb 25, 2015
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  4. Auburn

    Auburn Prepare Yourself! Forum Moderator Staff Alumni Donator Tester
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    Nathan1100, the problem you describe is caused by lag and latency problems.

    Although an actual anti-cheat to protect against and ban speedhackers before they can even act would be pretty good, and make the job a lot easier on us admins.
     
    Auburn, Feb 25, 2015
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  5. thebonesauce

    thebonesauce All life begins and ends with Nu Staff Alumni
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    But really, I don't think an, "anti-cheat," engine would actually work. Cheats (mostly hacks) are impossible to counter, since the cheats themselves are inherently built from the actual code of the game. If you implemented something in your code and it's main thing it fought against was speedhacking (as an example), all the person who developed the hack would have to do is create a way to get around that and get right back to speedhacking.
     
    thebonesauce, Feb 25, 2015
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  6. ShnitzelKiller

    ShnitzelKiller Haxor

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    Speed hacks are in general counterable. A server can at any time measure player positions and verify that they aren't changing at abnormal rates. I'm not sure what you mean by "getting around the code", as client modifications can only do so much. But this is an extra load on servers, plus it could lead to even worse bugs if the system falsely detects people as flying or speeding due to lag or other issues. Overall, probably not worth it.
     
    ShnitzelKiller, Feb 26, 2015
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  7. thebonesauce

    thebonesauce All life begins and ends with Nu Staff Alumni
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    That's kinda what I was driving at, considering I'm a cave man when it comes to servers/coding/etc. :D
     
    thebonesauce, Feb 26, 2015
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  8. dual_chiecken

    dual_chiecken Haxor
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    Shield better
     
    dual_chiecken, Feb 26, 2015
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  9. FuzzyBlueBaron

    FuzzyBlueBaron Warm, Caring, Benign, Good and Kind Philanthrope Global Moderator Forum Moderator Donator Tester
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    iirc this is pretty much the comments dev-types have made re: anti-cheat. Also, fwiw, the game *does* actually do some minor checks to make sure people aren't doing things like hitting too fast, etc. and it will auto kick/ban people if it catches too many instances of overly fast actions from a single player.
     
    FuzzyBlueBaron, Feb 26, 2015
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  10. Tern

    Tern Quickfish Donator Official Server Admin
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    It doesn't seem to work very well; I have to ban speedhackers 100% of the time. I don't think I've ever seen someone get kicked/banned automatically by the server for speedhacking.
     
    Tern, Feb 26, 2015
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  11. FuzzyBlueBaron

    FuzzyBlueBaron Warm, Caring, Benign, Good and Kind Philanthrope Global Moderator Forum Moderator Donator Tester
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    The threshold is fairly high, from what I remember. Basically because bad lag can also lead to players registering a bunch of hits "faster" than they aught. That said, I may be talking through my hat on this one, I'm just recalling things from Classic days.
     
    FuzzyBlueBaron, Feb 26, 2015
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  12. Tern

    Tern Quickfish Donator Official Server Admin
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    So in other words, it's nearly useless.
     
    Tern, Feb 26, 2015
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  13. FuzzyBlueBaron

    FuzzyBlueBaron Warm, Caring, Benign, Good and Kind Philanthrope Global Moderator Forum Moderator Donator Tester
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    Yes; but as ShnitzelKiller pointed out, anything more 'intrusive' would start to have a serious impact upon server performance. So it's really an issue with the laws of physics, rather than an issue of poor code.
     
    FuzzyBlueBaron, Feb 26, 2015
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  14. Geti

    Geti Please avoid PMing me (poke a mod instead) THD Team Administrator Global Moderator

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    It's actually been turned off since the early 300s or so from memory. We'll not be implementing any anti cheat engine-side because every attempt we've made (mostly in classic era when "legitimate" speeds were even lower) has been fraught with false positives, been sensitive to latency, and in general "not worth it". Modders could implement anti-cheat in whatever way they saw fit, the tools are there.

    Our preferred solution to hacking is manual moderation as it's much more likely to result in a recording and a hacker getting flagged, rather than just temporarily kicked out.
     
    Geti, Feb 27, 2015
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  15. FuzzyBlueBaron

    FuzzyBlueBaron Warm, Caring, Benign, Good and Kind Philanthrope Global Moderator Forum Moderator Donator Tester
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    Ah. See? Talking through my hat. Yet another example of why FBB is terrible at technical questions. ::P:
     
    FuzzyBlueBaron, Feb 28, 2015
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  16. Verzuvius

    Verzuvius Shark Slayer

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    My grapple would get verified as a speed hacker.
     
    Verzuvius, Feb 28, 2015
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