ReBalance mod discussion

Moi aussi. ^_^

 

It should be in the direction it's pointing, not the opposite. Both due to the way drills work, and that being a significantly more intuitive control scheme. Would be happy to port that into vanilla tbh, sounds fun :)

 

AND it would make knights a hell of a lot less annoying in water! The builders would be like big, muscular fishies as they darted away from the heavy knights in their sluggish armor. Maybe also make grapple less of a pain to use in water?

Imagine if you could leap like a manly dolphin out of the sea... glorious



But on the other hand that would make boats even more worthless, and I've always kind of liked boat combat and wished it were more prevalent. One avenue to take would be making individual classes more fun to use in the water, and the other would be to reinforce water as an area that's frustrating to navigate without a boat (and then make boats more readily available).

 

You already can do that, and you can do it with ballistas too, it's sooo damn fun, but a) there are no good water maps and b) nobody does it even if there is a good water map. Boats just die way too fast to bombs and the like. But I think in some situations having siege with the mobility and dodging ability of a boat could be really cool.

Ideas that I think would help:

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• More choice in which direction the boat is turned, like what I suggested earlier for siege (spacebar to turn boat in driver seat?) It would of course be slower to backpedal the boat, but would also be a lot safer.
• Repairing boat with wood, taking time ofc
• Mounted bow on longboat as well, as a way to shoot down incoming projectiles and just make the boat more useful (also maybe make mounted bows on boats captureable?)
• To make longboats (and probably only longboats) more useful as transport, a migrant/swabbie on each boat who sits near one seat and will "take over" for whoever was last rowing there, so for instance if you were rowing to the left and hopped off while holding the a key then he would sit in the seat and keep rowing left, to slowly bring your boat back to your team's shores. I think I remember a mechanic like that in some other mod but idk which one. With this change, if you buy a longboat and row a party of raiders over to the enemy side with holds full of kegs, you wouldn't just be giving up a free ship to the enemy.

As for the flying boats, I had this (admittedly ridiculous) idea of craftable balloons that you could put on boats to make an airship then you'd have 3 different kinds of airship right there based on what resources you were willing to spend. Because we all know the current airship is the best vehicle in the game.
but that would be for another mod...

 

That boat migrant mechanic is such a good idea, in general boats biggest problems IMO, and making boat maps is simple, for most 'mainly water' maps:
1)Boats can't pass through each other, so if you want to get past an enemy boat you have to either take theirs over or break it, if you take theirs over, your boat is left there in a semi-vulnerable position
2)Boat fighting is odd in many ways especially considering getting underneath the boat
3)Boats (and siege) have the problem where having the siege on the boat can make it easy to end up sitting in the wrong seat [maybe if there was a different way to get into driving than there was to get into 'firing' positions this would be fixed]
4)Maps where boats are good usually damn near require them, and their price is terrible, modifying the price = modded server = headache for most people, alternative is to swim which means most boats will kill you, or you will drown, water combat is also not so amazing IMO
5)Water gimmicks are fucking disgusting, particularly building straight door hallways far enough under water where knights can get only 1-2 sword chops before it's a drowning risk, the builders can completely ignore them basically and keep building, this strat is even more dastardly when there is background under water, although it's already pretty strong just as a port to release boats.

I do very much so enjoy the Boat+Trampoline interaction though, seeing drills become something similar (but only for dinghys) would be awesome.