Builders are OP

Moved to off-topic. Am I doing this right.

 

Well for instance they can literally just do anything. They collect the resources, build all the constructs, builds the catapults, loads said catapults with all the stone, collapse enemies bases, trap doors that lead to evil pits of floaty spikes and soooo muuuch mooooore. What im saying is that 1v1 the builder would beat anything. Knight coming? nope, you had time to build tall thick wall, archer also coming? build a lip on the tower and the archer cant even climb up. Even after both the archer and knight are trying to figure out a way to get in, the builder can just get across by building good strong bridge over then trapping them giving you plenty of time to move forward a bit before they cyanide and build more awesome walls just getting forward before the opponents get to you. So if you know what your doing knights cant bomb over, archers cant climb over. Ill be fair and say a builder comes along too, you have the height advantage and the ability to get down safely and climb back up without being followed and just hit away at the builder killing the guy trying to thwart you. Its just a mix of offensive then defensive on your side. Now lets say the builder tried digging under or through your wall. you easily have that lip you build early destroyed and let the falling stone to crush.

Now i could keep going about how a single builder could be the most impossible opponent but it would literally take forever and im sure you could suggest many ways to over throw the single builder, but there will always be a way to defend against it as the builder as long as you know even a little stratagy.

 

Im on topic T_T

 

I can't say for sure if this is serious or not. Sure builders can be op, but can't all the classes? I mean archers shoot over the towers and kill builders (op), knights bomb over the top of towers (op), so what you're saying is builders shouldn't have something to contend with knights and archers? I do not quite understand what you're trying to say, weather you want builders to be nerf'd or you're unhappy with the game as exciting as it is?

 

NOOOOOOO i absolutely love the game the way it is, I was just stating that the builder has the potential to be op. Its not that im mad at it or want it nerf'd. This system seems to work just fine the way it is. :)

 

He can build, sure, but this entire paragraph just concentrates on one thing, the building. He is a pussy in terms of combat and can occasionally take on an archer, but definitely not a knight 99% of the time. Yeah sure, he built a wall, so what? A knight can just dig round, or climb up or bomb jump. Oh and don't even say the builder fortifies the ground or the top of the castle, because if you were to put a knight and a builder in a fight together the knight would EVENTUALLY win. Everything you've just mentioned is a builder *stalling* tactic and has nothing to do with actually defeating the other class. Stalling does not win the game, killing all the units does.

And as for the last line. Yes, ways to defend against anything. But ways to attack? No. I as a knight can easily avoid everything you throw at me as a builder alone. I will literally never die. The only builder I die alone to is strathos who is an exception because he's a damn good builder. By saying builders are OP you're suggesting even the average builder can defeat the average knight and they can't. You're simply not looking at all the factors and pulling out facts about the builder in the area he's better in rather than the whole picture.

 

Archers can climb trees, and their arrows do damage?! Thats ridiculous, that needs to be nerfed immediately.

And knight can block and glide and throw bombs AANNNDD they can also do damage, nerf that.

Builders can gather LET ALONE gather AND place, that just crazy.

Everything needs to be nerfed, all those things that each class can do, gone bam, no one can do anything accept run around pressing 2.

Now thats my kind of game...

 

CoughDrop laughs

 

But if they are climbing the air, they are most likely hacking...

 

If the lip is 1 block easy ceiling climb.
2 blocks?Little harder.
3+?Needs prep time you dont have.


On-topic:Builders are not OP.It sounds like you saying builders are OP because they build
I can almost always beat 3 builders as knight or archer even because 99.99% are horrible builders.
But a builder that can time clashes is deadly if not taken seriously.

 

The builder can kill a knight in very rare occasions. I managed to kill some with my builder.
You jump from a high place onto the knight causing him brain damage.
While he is paralysed for 1/2 seconds (because of brain damage) you shovel the brain out of his head.
But this doesn't work always because of the stupid shield he is using.

Back on Topic, I think I get the point you are suggesting, although from a different perspective.
As a building you are able to build a small tower in no time.
If accompanied by some fighting folks you can overcome the enemy structures by quickly building ladders.
This makes siege engines unnecessary, but we love siege structures so much in medieval games.

My suggestion is, let the builder actually build the blocks rather than just placing them.
As a builder you select your block and click 1 second long at a place before it is build.
So every block would need 1 second to build, this should of course vary.
But the main idea is that you can't just build some ladders at the enemy structures to overcome it.
You simply need too long to build the ladders before the enemy archers killed you.
So we need siege engines to help us on the way.

In the end my suggested method would make a castle stronger, because you can't overcome it so easily.
And you would need cool medieval siege machinery when attacking the enemy.

 

A friend and I have gone 2 vs 2 us as builders and them as knights and won :P

I'm thinking that would lead to a lack of builders because no one would want to deal with that crap. Especially for ladders. Which would make every game "archers only" or a stale-mate. People laddering up buildings is easy enough to come back from. You still have the height advantage(Unless you make those stupid floor-doors) and any knight or builder can delete said ladders in 2 seconds.

It would make any structure next to impenetrable unless you have some rather glorious knights. Because of archer spam there is no way a builder and a knight can get up the side of a tower.

And siege weapons will be Premium only. So that won't help the general player-base.

 

You mean to say that, it is possible for an archer to climb thin air, if he is skilled enough...

 

Oh. God. I already complain about hit stun o.o I would quit

Also....http://kagforum.com/index.php?threads/203-big-archer-guide.2280/ <--- roof climbin

 

Builder are sooo OP.
I propose that every premium choosing the builder class should see their account instantly deleted, since all premium are skilled player ! Yes, a premium playing builder would win all the game alone, it will be too OP !

 

I think builders are over op