The Problem

I'm also not getting why when I shield myself from bombs, it's essentially a cointoss as to whether or not I survive.

Whereas it seems like every other knight in the vicinity can use it as a jumping mechanism.

 

Clashing removal?

 

Slow down knights powering up a slash a little bit more. Same with archers charging a long shot.

Perhaps give knights a giant powder keg for 50g that does like a triple explosion and can only be set down and activated while standing still?

 

Builders are carrying heavy ass hammers.

Why they're able to spam attack is curious.

 

Get the new siege weaponry (battering rams, ballistas, giant transportable ladders, siege towers) into play and you'll have more anti-building balance.

 

I'd like to say that, this time, I absolutely agree with Geti X3 (and by extension killatron)

I don't see any reason why a single player should be able to pick Knight, and then proceed to Rambo the other team. It's a game with "teams" for a reason. I too can see the argument behind buildings being too quickly put up, but I think the "overpowered" aspect is more of the meta-game than any balance issues.

Too many players play as -individuals- and expect the game to be fairly balanced for them. Keeping loosely with the medieval theme, wars were won by armies and sieges, not by flying-knight-ninjas who eat stone and poop out death and dismemberment. I would personally love to see fall damage increased for the same reasons. I get tired of one or two lucky jumpers slaughtering an entire team.

Additionally, if the Build Phase were removed I don't think I would even be able to play the game any more. I could only see that leading to a big "Rush Fest" where the team with the fastest movers and best jabs wins.

 

Only being able to jab standing still would be interesting, but it would make knights useless Vs. archers. increasing fall damage may be a bit annoying, what if when falling on an enemy you took half damage, and they took full? also for bomb jumping, I can see how a Nerf is necessary, but bomb jumping is really fun and i personally enjoy it :p. and about the Team door issue, maybe if you made a steel/stone door that opened and closed very slowly, only when you press E next to it, and cannot be destroyed by knights. This would make it so that you can put doors on the bottom without your tower being structurally weak, but not being to as OP as a stone wall you can walk through, because players can sneak in during the closing phase.

 

Oooh, I really like your views on the construction, with making it more realistic and stuff. I like everything about that post. Fall damage, no team vertical movement, better knight combat... It's really original and mostly stuff I'd never even considered. Dooo eeeeeeet.


Edit: Oh also, in a similar line of thought, I think it would be interesting if arrow team-damage became the norm. It would lead to fewer unrealistic Knight+Archer death combos, and more squads of archers arcing shots over their allies into the middle of enemy groups. Realism. Not sure if it would be the best gameplay improvement.... but I'm really intrigued by the other realistic stuff you mentioned adding, and this would fit.

 

So I kind of don't want to write an essay but I need to to adequately adress even just a few of these responses. Geti just said something about how it's probably easier to do this kind of thing over IM. Maybe we should get together a big conference of oldfags and balance enthusiasts and just have a big powow about it.

Looks like Geti is gving this topic some real interest; lets try to get our shit together so it'll be worth his time.

 

I think that front line builders are OP in the way that they basically dig right under most of your towers and lock themselves in with stone. I hate it so much when you build a castle and some builder locks him/herself in and destroys it.

 

This is something I would love to see implemented, along with a nerf to the terrain destructiveness of bombs, making them more of a frag grenade rather than a satchel charge, but that might just be me. I feel the demolition of structures should be solely the realm of the builder.

I'd also love to see the ability to deflect bombs with your shield as a knight.

 

Yea lets remove the buildings so we can play Gang Garrison but worse.

Buildings are the best part of KAG and why I choose to play it.

How on earth did "matches just turn into projectile spam due to buildings" go to "LETS NERF BUILDINGS" and not "Yea we should probably nerf archers."

Here's an idea, make arrows weaker, or harder to obtain, but make archers more agile or give them another advantage. The problem is the arrow spam, NOT the buildings.

Buildings going up out of nowhere is the FUNNEST PART OF KAG, let alone the thing that sets it apart from every other game with multiplayer rounds like this.

ALSO HERES AN IDEA

Weapon Workshop that lets classes switch to an alternate weapon type.

Knights Swords would no longer break anything, but they could switch to an axe that can break as fast as they can now, but is weaker damage-wise. Also make doors take longer to break because it's just silly how fast they go down.

This also opens up the possibility of an alternate weapon for the other two classes.​

 

This.
I always like to imagine that when doing rapid fire, an archer says "to hell with my bow!" and dumps his quiver upside-down over his attackers. ~giggles~

Not one bit, however I'm of the opinion that archers should have higher fall-damage thresholds to offset the knight's gliding maneuver.

I think it would be, yes. See, it would compliment knight vs. knight combat; and slowing down the builder's attacks would not forfeit the knight's superiority against one. However, as an archer, I have a feeling this would make mid-range to close-quarters combat against a knight a bit too easy. A slash-charging knight is an unshielded knight. ...Then again, it depends on how much of a waiting period there is per jab.

Perhaps we should get a comprehensive list of combat variables we are willing to tweak to get a bigger picture.