[345] Knight Discussion

I always found shielding in 2 block tall tunnels made you invincible to power-slashes, however, shield-bashing is easy to do in such tunnels if you spam jump and shield.

On another note I found a rhythm to jabbing. If you shield, and let the enemy jab at you and you place your jab right after his, you will not clash and instead get the hit, seems to be a small moment where he is neither jabbing or shielding. Requires a crazy amount of timing skill and is hard to pull off a kill, but still do-able.

 

If you don't jump so much it helps with the tunnel bug. The slashes seem kind of really fucked up in their hitboxes in general though. It's very, very difficult to hit people "under you" unless you actually move farther away from them. It's really counter intuitive.

Really, from the last build that changed knight combat had three really major improvements from the last. One is the slash accuracy and lag, another is the lag/porting regarding the direction in which a person is facing and porting in general and one is major improvements in shield bashing and STUNS! (something no one really talks about). There's a few other minor things as well like in how bombs work with bridges.

Sadly, I've also seen some setbacks like how laggy the game is and how bad the hitboxes are in general. Jabbing is extremely random in my estimation. It's nearly impossible to estimate when your opponent is going to jab half the time. Even more frustrating is that sometimes it works perfectly and you can time your opponents jabs because they're perfectly in-sync with his character. It's mind-boggling because slashes are now almost lag-free, yet jabbing and hitboxes are much worse from the previous build. Another BIG one for me is bombs and bomb jumping. Bombs are porting around REALLY bad now. It's fucking insane. Furthermore they way the bounce is suspect to even more lag. BOmb jumping now with your shield up is fucked up haaaaard too.

And finally, for good measure,

FIX THE GOD DAMN TRAP BRIDGES FROM FUCKING UP KNIGHT COMBAT

 

Invincible knight cove... camp in here under the spikes, shield, and then let other knights come to you. With shitty hitboxes all you have to worry about is being double teamed and all of that good stuff. Also there is a weird angle where if you are in a hole and guys pile up on top of you to kill you you are invincible... Idk what it is it to be honest, it keeps on changing.

 

This is just a notice. There is a bug where if you bomb jump into a wall, parachute, and wall slide you...explode.

I can post all sorts of stuff whenever I get to my laptop. With pictures and things. Since I dont want to start a whole new "Knight Guide" thread.

 

I've also noticed a big hitbox bug where if you "retreat" into a corner you cannot be hit (75% of the time). It doesn't have to be precisely like fellere posted for someone to be invulnerable. This used to only be a bug for builders, but it seems like it now effects knights too ;(

Pretty sure it effected the previous build as well.

 

I've noticed it's when people are Diagonal from eachother Like if a builder runs into a hole I can't hit him unless I jump completely on top of him, but he can hit me. Silly KAG. So weird.

Anyone wanna help me with a super huge [346] Knight Guide to post in this thread? Would be appreciated ( :


yay 300 posts, I will catch you Luigi :D

 

Yea, that's what I was trying to describe before when I was talking about slashes in the first paragraph of my first post. It's difficult because you really need to be further back than what might seem reasonable to end up slashing an opponent below you, but you need to be right on your opponent facing the direction in which the majority of your body is on the opposite end of theirs to jab. I speculate this is because the slash's hitbox is further away from your character which results in your slash going "over" (or on the opposite half of the hitbox were jabbing would work given your horitzontal position) the opponent. the slash is kind of like an arc, you need to place the bottom corner of that arc onto your opponent (which usually places you further away than the animation goes) to be able to hit them.

 

Unless I am missing something those Knights are just unskilled. The only times when I lose to an archer 1v1 in a duel format is when they have a lot of things to grapple and climb on. Just jumping up and down wouldn't do it...

 

No he's right the hitbox is off or something. I'm a horrible archer and I've done it before. It could be the knight getting stun but he's right, it's really hard to hit him.

 

Terrible? A death sentence :s Almost always die while doing it unless I can manage to "hop" on and off while shield gliding. Which does not always work

With the whole hit boxes above you, when you're in a 2 wide hole you are at a huge disadvantage in many ways.





I can't ever ever hit shit when in one. Jabbing almost never does me good unless I am to kinda bunny hop while jabbing at an angle on the outside of the hole. (did that make sense?) Best bet I have is to try and bunny hop up and try to stun them with a shield up when they bring the slash down on me. Works on pubs but a skilled player that can slash well will probably win. Sometimes when you do get hit you get stunned and fall back down but don't get hit by the second slash giving you time to get out.

Though if I am in vertical two wide tunnel area like this:




jabbing up I never seem to have a problem? I'm not sure why. As long as there isn't a platform for them to slash down at me from I feel it works? Maybe I am just crazy and not paying enough attention in the heat of combat.