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Auto Balance No Longer Works

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Stevedog, Mar 9, 2012.

  1. When the latest build was released, it broke the Auto balance, now it will no longer automatically balance teams in games. So now, teams will be unbalanced, especially at the end of games. I have seen games where, when the game finished, the teams were 14v23, when the new game started, they were still 14v23. Therefore, the Auto Balance no longer works.
     
  2. Kouji

    Kouji Cold, Uncaring, Sadistic, Evil and Cruel Meanie Administrator Global Moderator Forum Moderator Tester
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    Personally, I'm okay with it not auto-balancing teams at the end, mainly due to the fact that I won't be forced to swap teams because the other side is giving up since they are losing. It think it should only auto-balance right before the start of the next match.

    Anyways, instead of posting here, why don't you post it here: https://bugs.kag2d.com/
    Don't think it needs a thread.
    edit: Since we have these: https://forum.kag2d.com/threads/autobalance-clan-grouping.2928/
    https://forum.kag2d.com/threads/advanced-team-voting.2730/
    https://forum.kag2d.com/threads/no-autobalance-when-you-cant-respawn.4075/
     
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  3. Inexorable

    Inexorable The おっぱい lovin' nipple wizard. Donator

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    Solution: Someone swaps teams...
     
  4. Spoolooni

    Spoolooni Shark Slayer

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    Do I feel like getting swapped to the loosing team after draining my efforts helping my current team?

    Fucking hell no~
     
  5. Drok

    Drok Shark Slayer

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    I don't complain, absolutely everyone hates it. I would instead offer some kind of advantage to the smaller team, like starting with more bombs/arrows/resources, reducing respawn counter, and/or giving a small chance of no unit loss for every death. It's a good moment to get rid of this annoying system.
     
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  6. Spoolooni

    Spoolooni Shark Slayer

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    I like the no unit lost idea but minor imbalances can tip the scale of fairness if the enemy team gets such a big bonus over 2 missing men.
     
  7. feet

    feet Bison Rider

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    I agree with Spoolooni with the no unit lost idea. I once played a game when red's team as more than double blue's team. Guess who won.
     
  8. Mister_Meatball

    Mister_Meatball Base Burner

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    Usually I find an auto balance to be very annoying in pretty much any game I play (I cannot do well on the winning team of TF2 or I will get autobalanced to the losing one.) I would encourage server admins to not use auto balance, but team scramble after every match. (premium players could be exempt)
     
  9. Inexorable

    Inexorable The おっぱい lovin' nipple wizard. Donator

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    Its a matter of honour really, is an undermanned enemy team mentions that they are undermanned I usually switch over or ask them if they'd like me on their team.
     
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  10. Carver

    Carver Meitantei-san Donator Tester
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    This should happen every game, I think. Scrambling would be a nice touch to keep games fresh.
    I'll switch to the other team if it seems salvageable -- i.e. If we haven't collectively done enough on the winning side to condemn the other side, and my switching over can greatly benefit, than I try to.

    EDIT: Oh, and in the event that we see AIs of differing competency, I'd enjoy a system per Waterlimon: Any players of a certain skill would be matched(in the case of an imbalance)by Henries or Lances of a semi-fitting AI. How skill would be determined I'm not so sure though.
     
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  11. Waterlimon

    Waterlimon Catapult Fodder

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    It could just limit the amount of players on the field to the player count of the smaller team, but that should only be active when people are dying at a good enough rate. Maybe even picking players who seem to be doing nothing at the base and replacing them with another player.
     
  12. thebonesauce

    thebonesauce All life begins and ends with Nu Staff Alumni
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    The instance that pisses me off is when a team stacks and the rest is a bunch of noobs. Was just in a game, 14 on 11, they had BlueLuigi and a few others, and I had ParaLogia. We got destroyed.
     
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  13. Spoolooni

    Spoolooni Shark Slayer

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    Well, you're in the dilemma here, if you switch teams, that's automatic treason. Again, the best thing we can all agree upon is a vote option to scramble teams which will automatically happen at the end of the match once the vote is passed.
     
  14. Avisto

    Avisto Shipwright

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    I'm glad.
    There's nothing more frustrating than building so many fortifications and racking up so many kills only for your efforts to end up working against you.
    However, I do agree that some sort of balancing needs to take place between games.
     
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  15. Inexorable

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    Thats where the honour comes in
     
  16. Mister_Meatball

    Mister_Meatball Base Burner

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    There seem to be a lot of people talking about a scrambe solution, including me. I believe that there is already the option to vote on a scramble but could an admin write the option to automatically scramble after each round in the code?
     
  17. Waterlimon

    Waterlimon Catapult Fodder

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    It should try to scramble the teams evenly by trying to somehow estimate how good of a player you are. Something simple, like how much gold you have earned in total (with some ratios based on class, with builder you get a few hundred gold too easily)
     
  18. BindNation

    BindNation Bison Rider

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    I hated auto balance. Not that it was a bad thing, but that freakin' whenever I helped lead the team to crushing the other team, it would switch me to the losing side... CONSTANTLY. I felt like I was being thrown around by Skynet or something retarded like that. lol
     
  19. Inexorable

    Inexorable The おっぱい lovin' nipple wizard. Donator

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    No auto balance had turned out to be quite fun, like when AOE takes on the world, its like horde mode for them, dozens of weak enemies charging in an endless stream.
     
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