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Block livability

Discussion in 'Classes & Mechanics' started by Lawrence_Shagsworth, May 30, 2015.

  1. Lawrence_Shagsworth

    Lawrence_Shagsworth Joke Slayer Official Server Admin

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    Quick(ish) guide that takes you through livability of various blocks and other things throughout kag.
    Build at the time of this post is 1500
    Legend:
    :hammer:
    =
    Pickaxe
    :sword: = Singular slash/jab
    :bow: = Regular Arrow(Full charge)
    :keg: = Keg
    :bomb:= Bomb
    :mine:= Mine
    :bomb_arrow:= Bomb arrows

    Wooden blocks:
    :hammer:- 5 hits
    :sword:- 5 slashes. 15 jabs
    Wooden platforms:
    :hammer:- 9 hits
    :sword:- 18 slashes. 72 jabs
    :bow:- 72 arrows
    :keg:- 1 keg
    :bomb:- 3 bombs
    :mine:- 1 mine
    :bomb_arrow:- 1 arrow
    Wooden doors:
    :hammer:- 4 hits
    :sword:- 14 slashes. 56 jabs
    :bow:- 56 arrows
    :keg:- 1 keg
    :bomb:- 2 bombs
    :mine:- 1 mine
    :bomb_arrow:- 1 arrow
    Wooden back walls:
    :hammer:- 2 hits
    Ladder:
    :hammer:- 3 hits
    :sword:- 2 slashes. 3 jabs
    :keg:- 1 keg
    :bomb:- 1 bombs
    :mine:- 1 mine
    :bomb_arrow:- 1 bomb arrow
    Stone blocks:
    :hammer:- 7 hits
    Stone doors:
    :hammer:- 5 hits
    :keg:- 1 keg
    :bomb:- 6 bombs
    :mine:- 1 mine
    :bomb_arrow:- 1 arrow
    Stone back walls:
    :hammer:- 5 hits
    Stone spikes:
    :hammer:- 2 hits
    :keg:- 1 keg
    :bomb:- 2 bombs
    :mine:- 1 mine
    :bomb_arrow:- 1 arrow
    Trap blocks:
    :hammer:- 10 hits
    :keg:- 1 keg
    :bomb:- 7 bombs
    :mine:- 1 mine
    :bomb_arrow:- 1 arrow
    Workshop:
    :hammer:- 4 hits
    :sword:- 8 slashes. 32 jabs
    :keg:- 1 keg
    :bomb:- 1 bombs
    :mine:- 1 mine
    :bomb_arrow:- 1 arrow
    Storage:
    :hammer:- 12 hits
    :sword:- 24 slashes. 96 jabs
    :keg:- 1 keg
    :bomb:- 3 bombs
    :mine:- 1 mine
    :bomb_arrow:- 1 arrow
    Tunnel:
    :hammer:- 16 hits
    :sword:- 32 slashes. 128 jabs
    :keg:- 1 keg
    :bomb:- 2 bombs
    :mine:- 1 mine
    :bomb_arrow:- 2 arrows
    Catapult:
    :hammer:- 24 hits
    :sword:- 48 slashes. 96 jabs
    :bow:- 48 arrows
    :keg:- 2 kegs
    :bomb:- 8 bombs
    :mine:- 2 mines
    :bomb_arrow:- 2 arrows
    Ballista:
    :hammer:- 30 hits
    :sword:- 60 slashes. 120 jabs
    :bow:- 60 arrows
    :keg:- 2 kegs
    :bomb:- 8 bombs
    :mine:- 2 mines
    :bomb_arrow:- 2 arrows
    Saws:
    :hammer:- 20 hits
    :sword:- 5 slashes. 10 jabs
    :bow:- 10 arrows
    :keg:- 1 keg
    :bomb:- 4 bombs
    :mine:- 2 mines
    :bomb_arrow:- 1 arrow
    Trampoline:
    :hammer:- 10 hits
    :sword:- 3 slashes. 5 jabs
    :bow:- ∞ arrows
    :keg:- 1 keg
    :bomb:- 2 bombs
    :mine:- 1 mine
    :bomb_arrow:- 1 arrow
    Boulder:
    :hammer:- 6 hits
    :sword:- 2 slashes. 3 jabs
    :bow:- 3 arrows
    :keg:- 1 keg
    :bomb:- 1 bomb
    :mine:- 1 mine
    :bomb_arrow:- 1 arrow
    Drill:
    :hammer:- 8 hits
    :sword:- 2 slashes. 4 jabs
    :bow:- 6 arrows
    :keg:- 1 keg
    :bomb:- 2 bombs
    :mine:- 1 mine
    :bomb_arrow:- 3 arrows
    Lantern:
    :hammer:- 12 hits
    :sword:- 3 slashes. 4 jabs
    :bow:- 6 arrows
    :keg:- 1 keg
    :bomb:- 2 bombs
    :mine:- 2 mines
    Mounted Bow:
    :hammer:- 4 hits
    :sword:- 8 slashes. 16 jabs
    :keg:- 1 keg
    :bomb:- 1 bomb
    :mine:- 1 mine
    Keg:
    :hammer:- 24 hits
    :sword:- 12 slashes. 24 jabs
    :bow:- 24 arrows
    :keg:- 2 kegs(MFW)
    :bomb:- 4 bombs
    :mine:- 3 mines
    :bomb_arrow:- 1 arrow
    Mine:
    :hammer:- 1 hit
    :sword:- 12 slashes. 48 jabs
    :bow:- 1 arrow
    :keg:- 1 keg
    :bomb:- 2 bombs
    :mine:- 1 mine
    :bomb_arrow:- 1 arrow
    Dinghy:
    :hammer:- 20 hits
    :sword:- 5 slashes. 10 jabs
    :bow:- 10 arrows
    :keg:- 1 keg
    :bomb:- 4 bombs
    :mine:- 3 mines
    :bomb_arrow:- 4 arrows
    Longboat:
    :hammer:- 30 hits
    :sword:- 60 slashes. 120 jabs
    :bow:- 30 arrows
    :keg:-2 keg
    :bomb:- 7 bombs
    :mine:- 2 mines
    [​IMG]- 2 arrows
    Warboat:
    :hammer:- 90 hits
    :sword:- 180 slashes. 360 jabs
    :bow:- 90 arrows
    :keg:- 5 keg
    :bomb:- 22 bombs
    :mine:- 6 mines
    :bomb_arrow:- 6 arrows

    Amendment credits:
    @ParaLogia
    - for jab stats where applicable
    - EXPLOSIONSSS!
    - Boat section
    @Potatobird for wooden platforms and arrows(lol)
     
    Last edited: Jun 2, 2015
  2. ParaLogia

    ParaLogia tired Administrator Global Moderator Forum Moderator Tester Official Server Admin

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    Nice guide. Very well-organized. There a few things that I might add though.

    First, if a slash can damage something, so can a jab. It takes a certain number of jabs to do the same damage as one slash, so the number of jabs required is usually a multiple of the number of slashes. (It's also a multiple of the number of builder hits.)

    These are the numbers I found:

    Wooden blocks:
    15 :blank: (3 x:sword:) (3 x :hammer:)
    Wooden platforms:
    72 :blank:(4 x:sword:) (8 x :hammer:)
    Wooden doors:
    56 :blank:(4 x:sword:) (14 x :hammer:)
    Ladder:
    3 :blank:(1 x :hammer:)

    Workshop:
    32 :blank:(4 x:sword:) (8 x :hammer:)
    Storage:
    96 :blank:(4 x:sword:) (8 x :hammer:)
    Tunnel:
    128 :blank:(4 x:sword:) (8 x :hammer:)

    Catapult:
    96 :blank:(2 x:sword:) (4 x :hammer:)
    Ballista:
    120 :blank:(2 x:sword:) (4 x :hammer:)

    Saw:
    10 :blank:(2 x:sword:) (1/2 x :hammer:)
    Trampoline:
    5 :blank:(1/2 x :hammer:)
    Boulder:
    3 :blank:(1/2 x :hammer:)


    Also, I would be interested in seeing the amount of explosive damage that certain blobs can take, especially for the non-blocks like catapults and tunnels. For example, it takes 1 mine to destroy a catapult, and 2 mines to destroy a ballista. I'm a bit tired right now, but I might look into it later
     
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  3. Potatobird

    Potatobird Haxor Forum Moderator Mapping Moderator Tester Official Server Admin

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    Can't you break platforms with arrows too? It takes an unholy amount of them but it is possible

    The only reason I know about that is because of gather, where it has come down to that before lol
     
  4. Lawrence_Shagsworth

    Lawrence_Shagsworth Joke Slayer Official Server Admin

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    Completely forgot about jabs. Thanks Para! And about platforms and arrows, I know about this, but don't have nearly enough time to record it. You're welcome to do so if you want
     
  5. ParaLogia

    ParaLogia tired Administrator Global Moderator Forum Moderator Tester Official Server Admin

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    Oh yeah, that reminded me: How did you find the number of archer hits? Did you use fully charged arrows?
     
  6. Lawrence_Shagsworth

    Lawrence_Shagsworth Joke Slayer Official Server Admin

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    Indeed, fully charged shots of regular arrows.
    Moreover, I will record the stats for explosives(mines etc.) at a later time, not much time atm due to exams and whatnot
     
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  7. Potatobird

    Potatobird Haxor Forum Moderator Mapping Moderator Tester Official Server Admin

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    It takes 72 arrows lol
     
  8. ParaLogia

    ParaLogia tired Administrator Global Moderator Forum Moderator Tester Official Server Admin

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    My wi-fi went out last night, so I spent a few hours in sandbox collecting data. I don't have time for a full write-up, but here's the partially-processed data:

    WOODEN DOOR:
    • 2 bombs
    • 1 mine
    • 1 keg
    • 56 arrows
    LADDER:
    • 1 bomb
    • 1 mine
    • 1 keg
    STONE DOOR:
    • 6 bombs
    • 1 mine
    • 1 keg
    SPIKE:
    • 3 bombs
    • 1 mine
    • 1 keg
    TRAP BLOCK:
    • 7 bombs
    • 1 mine
    • 1 keg
    WOODEN PLATFORM:
    • 3 bombs (each bomb does 4/9 total dmg)
    • 1 mine
    • 1 keg
    EVERY BLOCK : 1 bomb arrow


    WORKSHOP:
    • 1 bomb
    • 1 mine
    • 1 keg
    • 1 bomb arrow
    STORAGE:
    • 3 bombs
    • 1 mine
    • 1 keg
    • 1 bomb arrow
    TUNNEL:
    • 4 bombs
    • 1 mine
    • 1 keg
    • 2 bomb arrows

    CATAPULT:
    • 6 bombs
    • 1 mine
    • 2 kegs (first keg does 5/6 total dmg)
    • 2 bomb arrows (first does 3/4 total dmg)
    BALLISTA:
    • 8 bombs
    • 2 mines
    • 2 kegs
    • 2 bomb arrows (first does 3/5 total dmg)

    SAW:
    • 4 bombs
    • 2 mines
    • 1 keg
    • 10 arrows
    TRAMPOLINE:
    • 2 bombs
    • 1 mine
    • 1 keg
    • infinite arrows
    BOULDER:
    • 1 bomb
    • 1 mine
    • 1 keg
    • 3 arrows

    =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=NEW ITEMS BELOW LINE=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

    DRILL:
    • 8 pick
    • 4 jab
    • 2 slash
    • 4 arrow
    • 2 bomb
    • 1 mine/keg
    LANTERN:
    • 12 pick
    • 3 slash
    • 6 jab
    • 6 arrow
    • 2 bomb
    • 2 mine
    • 1 keg
    MOUNTED BOW:
    • 4 pick
    • 8 slash
    • 16 jab
    • N/A arrow
    • 1 bomb
    • 1 mine/keg
    KEG:
    • 24 pick
    • 12 slash
    • 24 jab
    • 24 arrow (fire arrows do double dmg)
    • 4 bomb
    • 3 mine
    • 2 keg
    MINE:
    • 1 pick
    • 12 slash
    • 48 jab
    • 1 arrow (detonates mine)
    • 2 bomb
    • 1 mine
    • 1 keg


    DINGHY:
    • (hits until it starts sinking/total hits)
    • 15/20 pick
    • 4/5 slash
    • 8/10 jab
    • 8/10 arrow
    • 3/4 bomb
    • 2/3 mine
    • 1/1 keg

    LONGBOAT:
    • (sail disappears/starts sinking/totally destroyed)
    • 13/22/30 pick
    • 25/43/60 slash
    • 49/85/120 jab
    • 13/22/30 arrow
    • 3/5/7 bomb
    • 1/2/2 mine
    • 1/2/2 keg

    WARBOAT:
    • (starts sinking/totally destroyed)
    • 63/90 pick
    • 125/180 slash
    • 250/360 jab
    • 63/90 arrow
    • 16/22 bomb
    • 4/6 mine
    • 4/5 keg

    I included explosion damage for everything (except for wooden/stone blocks/backwall). I also added stats for boats, as well as a few items that aren't quite as important (drills, lanterns, etc.).

    I'll admit, I only did 180 jabs, then estimated that I was halfway there.
     
  9. Lawrence_Shagsworth

    Lawrence_Shagsworth Joke Slayer Official Server Admin

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    Thanks for boat stats! Question, is the arrows part of boat stats for regular or bomb arrows?
     
  10. ParaLogia

    ParaLogia tired Administrator Global Moderator Forum Moderator Tester Official Server Admin

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    Those are normal arrows. For bomb arrows you need:

    Dinghy - 3/4
    Longboat - 1/2/2
    Warboat - 4/6

    Also, there was a mistake in the OP (you mixed up bombs and kegs for ballista) that I fixed; hope you don't mind.
     
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