Daskew's little thoughts on boulders c:

I am sorry and I know the difficulty threads like this can cause when other people have discussed this beforehand. But for this post I just wanted to make an articulate (at least try to) post about what I think many people who I've talked to are feeling.

Boulders are a very cool looking weapon.

The idea of smashing someone's face in with a big boulder is an appealing juncture by any means.

The skill involved throwing this beast in the right direction with the right power with the right timing... all while manning your characters own normal attacks, seems rather juicy in its entertainment and depth of play factors.

But no-one uses them ... really ever

In just about any circumstance it is certainly far better to just sling this heavy item asside so you can undergo your standard assault. I mean why bother? It makes you slower. It can't be thrown fast. It breaks appart after minimal use. The damage it yields it just no recompense for all these disadvantages. The damage is actually pretty tame... tame it is indeed.

All the above AND it takes a lot of skill for the average player to use effectively.

Could we re-work the boulder?

This whole issue is really a minor thing - KAG is a great game and I love almost all the dynamics. Heck.. perhaps we are lucky to even have the boulder anyway as an add-on item, even in it's ineffectual state.

But I can't help but say something because I, and many others see the stunning potential of a cool-ass boulder being actually involved in this game as a viable weapon. A weapon used. Not as a party-piece.

What we're missing
[Elowan whacking naoki in tournament a while back]


Isn't the above WHAT WE WANT?

Isn't the above REWARDING SUPERB PLAY?

Dont we WANT TO BRING THIS BACK!

But it would be OP!

Apparently for some reason any increase whatsoever to the boulder would make it absolutely own everyone and anything in the game and this therefore must be stopped at all and indeed any cost! Even if it means making it about as tough as cotton wool, and as damaging as a raindrop falling on your head.

I just don't agree!

It's a pro weapon

The very nature of it means it requires extreme skill to compete. This is good. But even when players achieve this it's still rarely ever worth scratching your ass with. Due to the all the nerfs combined

Could we do something about this?

There's a reason nobody really ever uses it. It never takes a trip out the buildershop in clan wars. It's neutered. Neutralised. And never going to help anyone.

Perhaps it was too intense before the update that coded it out of real competitive play. Maybe it before it was "over the top". But the sheer fact that people now see it as a kinder suprise egg toy more than anything resembling a means of assault surely means there's something wrong with it's stats.

I urge the good leaders of KAGdom. Help bring this sweet music back to this game. If not in it's previous form, then in some other arrangement! Something can be worked out to include it without having it totally reverted!

Say it with me now: "A good boulder is a useful boulder!"



p.s - I'm sorry if this has already been discussed at length by hoardes of peasants. I just have never said anything about this and I really wanted to express my thoughts about this. It's a very cute weapon. I totally understand that it was nerfed because in some cases overbearing in the game. I just think maybe too much.

 

A good boulder is a useful boulder.
IK this had been said before, but still; making boulders harder to acquire and costing more variety of resources (stones and coins? lol) should be better than nerfing it to the ground.

 

You left out being able to put the boulder in your inventory. Also not being able to pick up a boulder before it hits a block or person would be a nerf for the carrier somewhat.

The water bouldering was just bullshit.

 

I miss it too, I used to use boulders for days with Ripleycat and they were too OP but now they are just useless :(

 

How to unnerf the boulder:

>Can be put in inventory by knights.
>Can break doors.

Done.

I'm all for the boulder coming back into competitive play, I miss it, I also feel like there should be more reward for loading it into a catapult. Maybe increase the width of the damage it causes to structures after being catapulted?

 

Personally I think those are the two worst things you could bring back for the boulder lol

I am all for more damage for boulders fired from catapult as a reward in making them from scratch one at a time, since setting up a protected workshop near a cata on the front line is tricky at times.

Also to actually improve the distance boulders are flung to match how far loose stone is fired would be cool too. Range on fired boulders feels way too short

Forget boulder usage by grunts, arise o siege boulder of legend

 

(For some reason i cant quote anymore ?)
I like SirDangalang's idee , Boulders do more damage against building/stone/wood etc fired from cata, and the distance should be further then loose stones fired from cata. (maybe test if the damage is already high enough and only increase the range) Making the boulder a additional siege weapon on catapult.
would be fun if you could set it on fire aswell and then fire the boulder from cata.

 

Oiled boulders. Maybe make it like original satchels-or make it create a shower of rain (of fire) on impact. Maybe make it like the bomb bolt upgrade ;D

 

I think some ideas here are very good. I never mentioned any of my own ideas, I just wanted to mention that it's a shame boulders aren't competitive, when I think they totally should be, but not OP.



Is there any chance of say:

-Boulders being team owned where you can walk through them
-Boulders not being so easy to break (making them less uncompetitive)
-The enemy team can't grab the boulder in mid-air, only when it has hit the ground
-A minimal damage increase, as I think if it is at high-speed it should be able to take 2 hearts damage? I am not entirely certain this isn't the case already though
-Boulders costing some coins (a step towards turning them into a proper weapon)

The above are just examples I think could work. The THD team I'm sure could think of 10 different clever ways to make the boulder competitive again, but not OP)

Guys is there anyone we could flag? To come see this thread?

A good boulder is a useful boulder!

This is an awesome weapon
It doesn't have to be OP
It also doesn't have to be a waste of space



p.s I don't want to pester the poor devs. So if this post doesn't go anywhere I'm just going to leave it after.

 

i agree, great daskowl, though i suppose it is down to @Geti to fix this shit

 

Sry for the reply, but maybe making the velocity higher sideways? Like a slash throw of a knight would make it travel maybe 7-8 blocks.
Just saying this as a temporary fix.
Thanks Geti!

 

I see. Thanks for the reply.
Hmm. Maybe for now just use it as a siege weapon? Make velocity scaling a LOT higher and start velocity still super low and make it maybe viable only through catas for now.
On what you're saying, maybe a hard time cap before the boulder can be picked up again? Or a velocity drop to 0 before pickup requirement?

 

Would this involve removing the ability to pick up a boulder as it moves? Because you would have to throw it up and in that time period anyone could snatch it. Im really on the fence because removing the ability to pick up a boulder while it is moving is a nerf both to the thrower and the defender.