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Is the map deterioration issue going to be fixed?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Vania, Sep 2, 2011.

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  1. Vania

    Vania Guest

    I mean, is this issue going to be fixed in the free version of KAG?

    This has been a problem since the very beginning but I have not seen any improvement. In every game I play restart votes start being casted after 30 minutes or so.
     
    Vania, Sep 2, 2011
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  2. hansel

    hansel Shopkeep Stealer

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    I don't see map deterioration as an issue. More like a feature ;). But I've read somewhere on the forums people talking about dirt regrowing after being dug up.
     
    hansel, Sep 2, 2011
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  3. kiro

    kiro Garde KAG Donator Tester

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    In a blog post MM said he wants to try non-vanishing dirt. Ie if you destroy a bloc of dirt, it stays here until you move it away (just like in real life)
     
    kiro, Sep 2, 2011
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  4. Neat

    Neat King of the Dead Donator Tester

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    A ridiculous feature. Games are better on flat land, then they get worse and worse.
     
    Neat, Sep 2, 2011
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  5. archont

    archont Shopkeep Stealer

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    This is a issue which is a part of a much broader gameplay question. You can't discuss map deterioration without going much further into issues of balancing, desired gameplay length, intended mechanics, player enjoyment, actual vs intended role of various gameplay elements.

    This issue should be discussed at depth and with the application of liberal amounts of ‼SCIENCE‼. Maybe I'll make a topic about this. Or maybe I'll go make fun of French people some more instead. Who knows.
     
    archont, Sep 3, 2011
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  6. Furai

    Furai THD Team THD Team Administrator

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    From what I know dirt won't be disposable like this. You'll have to pile it somewhere. At least that was the plan.
     
    Furai, Sep 3, 2011
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  7. archont

    archont Shopkeep Stealer

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    There's no reasonable way I can see that dirt deposition can work without a major rewrite of the game. Suppose you die while carrying 300 units of dirt - the 30 blocks of dirt would effectively fall out of your corpse just like stone does now.

    They could immediately expand and blow up of course, filling all available space. Kind of like that dirt gun from Liero or Worms 2D. I think you can imagine griefers would have a field day.
     
    archont, Sep 3, 2011
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  8. Furai

    Furai THD Team THD Team Administrator

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    Then think of it other way around. What if you could carry only 10 blocks of dirt at times?
     
    Furai, Sep 3, 2011
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  9. Geti

    Geti Please avoid PMing me (poke a mod instead) THD Team Administrator Global Moderator

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    Weve got plans to fix the idea more directly than the huge dirt rewrite. I'm not sure when the tweaks will arrive because they require pretty large changes to the map format but theyre coming.
     
    Geti, Sep 4, 2011
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  10. archont

    archont Shopkeep Stealer

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    Any specifics on how you plan to achieve this?
     
    archont, Sep 5, 2011
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  11. Geti

    Geti Please avoid PMing me (poke a mod instead) THD Team Administrator Global Moderator

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    I've ranted about it elsewhere I think, but no specifics.

    Just this:

    Bombs damage terrain, not destroy it outright.
    Terrain damage system overhaul to use HP not tile values.
    Mining mechanics changed to be less destructive
     
    Geti, Sep 5, 2011
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