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Shield can't block stomps.

Discussion in 'Suggestions & Ideas' started by kodysch, Mar 18, 2014.

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  1. kodysch

    kodysch Bison Rider Staff Alumni
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    As the title says... what do you guys think about knights no longer being able to block stomps by shield.? A knight can block a stomp by shielding, crouching ,and attacking. Let archers have a sliver of a chance when a knight decides to cook a bomb under them.
     
  2. JoshTG

    JoshTG Ballista Bolt Thrower

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    stomps are op
     
  3. kodysch

    kodysch Bison Rider Staff Alumni
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    bombs are op, this allows archers a small way to have a chance against a knight with a bomb
     
  4. JoshTG

    JoshTG Ballista Bolt Thrower

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    well, stomps are op for knights. Slashing while stomping is basically a guaranteed kill. I couldn't care less about archers
     
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  5. Potatobird

    Potatobird Haxor Forum Moderator Mapping Moderator Tester Official Server Admin

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    This would change nothing for knights, as their slash breaks shield allowing stomps anyway. This post is only about helping archers (or builders) stomp knights, and I think it sounds like a good idea.

    But I don't see how bombs are relevant. Usually what happens is an archer can jump off a tall tower and land on a knight's shield and do no damage (correct me if I'm wrong). Where do the bombs come in?
     
  6. kodysch

    kodysch Bison Rider Staff Alumni
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    when a knight just lights a bomb and shields, if the archer can't get a far ways away then he's dead in the air.
     
  7. Potatobird

    Potatobird Haxor Forum Moderator Mapping Moderator Tester Official Server Admin

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    If you're stomping him when he has a bomb then you're gonna die anyway, but I guess at least you'd get to take him out with you, instead of him just shielding and being immune to stomps. An arrow would be a better choice to stun him (currently anyway), but then he would get away with one health.
     
  8. Trumbles

    Trumbles Bison Rider

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    With the speed that archers can attain, you could use the stun from a successful stomp to grapple-fling yourself to safety before the bomb explodes.

    It's a tactic I've used a few times, but as kody said, shielding makes it impossible.

    All you have to do to avoid a stomp, is press S. I think this mechanic should be promoted more, and making stomps unblockable by shield would certainly achieve such.
     
  9. Nighthawk

    Nighthawk gaurenteed shitter

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    This. Just this.
     
  10. Geti

    Geti Please avoid PMing me (poke a mod instead) THD Team Administrator Global Moderator

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    I seriously question the merit of promoting a mechanic by detracting from a significantly more intuitive and widely used mechanic, tbh. Isn't this already achievable by close range arrow stun to break the shield, followed by a stomp?
     
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  11. Corpsey

    Corpsey Haxor

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    I'm a bit of a newb when it comes to this myself...

    What makes the stomp do damage (minimum height required?)? Does height increase the damage at all? How does pressing S avoid a stomp? (This makes your character duck, right?)

    Also what does and doesn't prevent a stomp? I feel like I've tried to raise my shield before and still died from a falling character, but other times it does no damage.
     
  12. Duplolas

    Duplolas So Sad

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    As Geti said, stomping is such a major mechanic of KAG that making any alterations to it would be game breaking. Something like this "could" have been suggested while we were still in beta, but we are not anymore. Major changes in core mechanics of the game, at this point, is a big no-no.

    Stomp mechanics have existed from Classic, if you didn't know. That is how core of a mechanic they are.
     
  13. i dont know how i feel about this since both stomp and shield are fucking ridiculous
     
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  14. kodysch

    kodysch Bison Rider Staff Alumni
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    While yes it is possible, the only place that it could reliably happen is when the archer is at a decent height advantage. The shield stun on a knight is so short that one doesn't have time to get the required height to then grapple stomp down.
     
  15. Sirpixelot

    Sirpixelot Base Burner
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    We don't need the archer any more OP than they already are... nor do we want Knights anymore OP...
    The devs can't really change anything at this stage since well... they're already done.
    If they do change this... the devs will have to fix bugs that would appear due to the change... people would complain and there would be wide spread chaos... maybe some pixelated fires would appear everywhere due to the riots o-o

    We do however appreciate the suggestion and hope you'll make more soon.
    Just make a suggestion that doesn't involve core game mechanics... o-o
     
  16. Nighthawk

    Nighthawk gaurenteed shitter

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    Back in the days of Classic KAG, you used to be able to stun a Knight through their shield with a stomp. I don't understand why that ever changed, especially considering the fact that Knights were given a significant shield buff already when they became able to block long to mid-range shots without being stunned.
     
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  17. JoshTG

    JoshTG Ballista Bolt Thrower

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    plus hiding a helecopter in there shields powered by a mere 2 bombs
     
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  18. bout

    bout Shark Slayer

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    If everything is op, nothing is op.
     
  19. Apronymous

    Apronymous Bison Rider

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  20. bout

    bout Shark Slayer

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    Hey, I didn't say that! ::(:
     
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