Trapblocks need a re-work.

Yes, yes, yes we all know this. The devs tried to fix it in their special snowflake way and it just made everyone more angry. That isn't to say that i didnt like oldnew trapblocks it is just that they made terrible trapblocks. My suggestion is to have the trapblock in the game right now work as a downward facing platform for the enemy and a solid block for teammate. No more sharking, no more "free door" trapblocks, and most importantly no more veteran players being kicked for griefing artistic traps. I'd also like oldnew trapblocks in the game as something like a "false wall" that functions just like the oldnew trapblocks fucktioned. Maybe make those cost 15-20 stone. Oh and lastly, to differentiate the blocks, maybe make the entire false wall block the team color.

 

I think you dont understand the average IQ of a pub player.

all traps are shit. There is no good traps that cant be destroyed and converted to bases for the enemy. The entire block itself is too expensive to be helpful in its current situation. First it relies on the other team being stupid enough to fall for it and then it is very very weak. A dirt spike'd pit doesnt instakill 1/2 the time so eventually your pit would die, A stone spiked pit can be cleared by a builder or bombs, and a sawpit can be attacked from the corner and slashed out. Traps are not useful in their current state and i personally feel like they need idiot-proofing. The fix im talking about is far from perfect but anything can be better than the current state. Eitherway i want those oldnew trapblocks back they were kinda cool in a non-trapblock way.

 

This isn't a bad idea. The biggest problem with team blocks is when people make long rows of them and enemy knights get beneath. Then they become impossible for you to kill and can jump up and slash people when they feel like.

But there are many kinds of structures which benefit the enemy team more than your team. Instead of trying to idiot-proof blocks, we should better educate new players about why certain structures are bad. Perhaps by adding some more builder-specific tips to the death tips we already have. The trap block problem is essentially solved by alternating trap block and downward-facing platform. New players just have to realize that.

 

Most new players don't listen to tutorials or veterans. If I try fixing somebody's awful awful trap they may scream GRIEFER OMG BAN PLOX and I have to get 4 other people to say "He's doing a good thing, the trap was poor" before the new guy finally understands "Hmm maybe it was bad.". Even then they still continue to make the same mistakes for a long period of time, ignoring the advice of people completely.

In terms of alternating platforms, if you create a GOOD trap, oh yeah it's solved. But if you make a huge spike pit of dirt spikes or a really tall and wide spike pit of stone spikes you're essentially asking for knights to break the platforms and use the blocks as doors anyway. Since platforms can be broken by knights, it's rather bothersome, and forces you to make your traps perfect or risk having skilled knights shit on them, and use them as doors anyway. As well as the fact that an archer can set your platforms on fire and make doors in that sense, or enemy builders can just break the platforms and again, you got a door. Making the trap blocks themselves downwards platforms negates fire, negates slashes, and negates shitter doors as a whole.

Punks idea is perfect, absolutely perfect. You waste less wood while creating traps, you help the new guys get false kicked less for being new to the game and making poor traps, you waste less time on traps in general, it's just perfect. While a better tutorial for every class would be nice for the newer guys, making things idiot proof is also very nice, and allows the community to grow since newer players will be encouraged to stick around when they're not being yelled at or kicked for being bad at the game.

 

I have to agree with what punk suggested, an alternative solution would be for trap blocks to be renamed "enemy doors" since they're not "traps" by themselves in their current state

I personally love exploiting the enemy's shitty traps that turn into safespots, but it's infuriating to go after the enemy when they do it (as a result of a newbie builder on your team), especially when trap blocks take like ten hits each to break and can't be damaged by friendly bombs

that being said, I would love to be able to hit enemies with bomb explosions through trap blocks

 

We've gone over this 1 million times already.

No.

 

Are the devs really listening to the posts of this little troll that thinks hes cool? I hope not.
@edit: shitposts*

 

Why not just add both of these ideas? Because at the end of the day backwards platform trap blocks still don't fix EVERYTHING for newbies. If a newbie makes a gigantic dirt spike pit builders can still get in there and wreck your stuff. Being able to get in there to vanquish the rats though is a welcome thing, and being able to keep knights down there is also good. I can see the E thing being kinda awkward to do but that's actually a good thing for once, as if it's awkward to use in general then the newer players won't fuck up as much when trying to use it. They won't accidentally let enemy knights out and such, and that is doubled by the fact that it's only open for a brief moment.

Both of these are good for newbies and veterans alike. Less complaining and kicking from veterans, less mistakes and less anger from newbies, and more players that stay in the community. Both ideas are very neat (Although I believe the holding E on trap blocks idea could use a little sprucing up perhaps to avoid awkward moments.).

 

Punk, are you talking about this?
https://forum.thd.vg/threads/build-1537-quality-of-life.23867/page-4#post-352904

 

Imo, trap blocks should return to soft mode (Teamies can walk through em) The only reason this wasn't liked before was 'cause teammates could fall through into traps, which can easily be fixed by making trap blocks count as ladders for the friendly team. This way, newbies can't screw the entire team over while trap blocks become safe to use.

 

in fun CTF there's a team ladder which can be used by teammates, but not by enemies, that could be a good idea too?

 

I personally like when the other team's shit trap turns into a bunker for my team.
When it turns out it happens on my team, i just try to swap to builder and place many stoneblocks above the trapblocks so i can hold them until we can wipe'em out of our base.
Although a new block sounds fun, there're guys like me that thinks this *issue* contributes to the chaotic mess that makes kag so fun to play over and over.

 

But the main issue with old-new trapblocks wasn't "Oh i pressed the wrong button". You went through the block even when landing from another block 1 square higher. And many times happened randomnly.
And only 2 ppl trying to climb the same trapblock stair were frustrating enough to get annoyed by those blocks.

 

"why dont we make it work like ladders"

idk. Perhaps the speed nerf might affect the ally team alot.

"But no idiots build stupid things and i want my free doors"

Man, that is a stupid point. The block itself is not worth its cost at this point. And even worse, we cant fix shitter things in kag from new players. We get called griefers and the all knowing admins popin to tell you you are a fucking griefer. I figured it would be easier to fix trapblocks than fix the administration.

ofc that is and was a giant downside to the point back then. But, i still feel that 90 stone should trap the enemy eitherway. Especially with how crap spikes, saws, ect are. There has also been a discussion about the trapblock being breakable(which ofc could lead to it costing wood instead of stone)

idk i might still be sleep deprived but this sounds like the best solution to date to fix trapblocks. The devs gave a billion and one reasons why the E thing on the trapblocks wouldnt work, they didnt like the suggestion of the button from mechs into the game for trapblocks, so i feel like this is the most agreeable option.