Problems with water combat

Boats will be good at fixing this, but I don't know how they will hold up to archer fire. If they're going to be as strong as catapults, I'm going to have way too much fun when they come out.

Still, I really think the water mechanics need some major tweaking. I'd like to see archers unable to shoot while in water and an increase in swimming speed for all classes. Not so sure about the inability for archers to shoot through the water. I agree that it should be nerfed, but 1 tile penetration seems a bit too low.

 

I agree with most of what you think but, I think falling arrows should do damage(just one heart).

 

I think breathing near the surface really needs to happen amongst other things, the speed of movement is surely enough of a compromise and you should be able to duck underwater to avoid taking so much damage from arrows at the expense of losing your breath, that seems fair enough to me. Perhaps if you drew breath a little slower in open water then on land then it wouldn't be so overbearing, otherwise it'd help builder bridge too quickly perhaps because building supports would be piss easy. The reduced movement thing is sort of cool but far too overstated, I think I'd quite like to see it stay as it is, but just have some sort of increase in movement when your touching a solid surface, so if your drowning underwater in the middle of a lake then you should probably struggle, however if you had a ledge next to you or underneath you, you should be able to walk across the bed of the lake/grasp the edge of a surface to help you up to increase your speed, something that might be good to increase your manoeuvrability overall.

 

If archers aren't allowed to shoot while they are in water, then knights shouldn't be able to swing there sword while in water, and builders shouldn't be able to build while underwater. NO!
The archers bow is his main weapon, so making it impossible to use it underwater is like taking away the knights sword.

I also think the swimming speeds need to be adjusted, archers should be faster than builders and builders should be faster than knights.
And the slashing trick that makes a knight move faster than a motorboat on a river rapid should also be removed, how can one big armoury tank even swim to the surface, they should sink to the bottom I say!

Moral of post: Don't complain over some advantages of some classes and ask for nerfs when you don't even see that your 'knight' has advantages too.

The reason this hasn't been brought up is because the archers are too busy improving their skill to be better than whine about dumb things the other classes can do

 

Bow =/= Harpoon

 

Dawn, most people here play the classes as and when required, and only a small minority stick to one, nevermind be a fucking fanboy about that particular class. Obviously alot of players will probably play one more then others, but the vast majority want a balanced game really. The knight can slash in water, but if it can;t get out the fucking water cos they're been peppered by archers then what good is that? Also for the record, as I've been recently enlightened, plate armour isn't nearly as heavy as it's made out to be for the most part, I doubt swimming in it's much fun but you wouldn't sink like a rock anyway.

 

Great, so archers can shoot while leaping from tree to tree (even in midair), while running, while climbing, and, you propose, while swimming. There would be no fucking escape from their machine gun bows. No thanks. The abilities of an archer make him ideal for defense, so an archer that jumps into a pool of knights deserves to die.

 

I agree with this. It's pretty annoying when you jump in the water to quickly pick off an enemy knight, then swim underwater to reach the entrance to your base and can't get up because the ladder is half a tile out of reach.

Another aspect of water combat I dislike is the power of catapults. They are pretty much game winners at this point; the team with the tower of catapult batteries set up can destroy any attempts at an attack with big casualty infliction. They encourage camping, as it isn't worthwhile attacking with 3 catapults flinging stones onto your head from above.

I know siege workshops are disabled by default in the current build (or they were an update ago), but every water server seems to have re-enabled them, and I can't see how the devs could change the effectiveness of the catapult/other siege weapons in a water scenario. Hopefully boats make attacking much easier.

Also, is the flood supposed to rise so suddenly at the end of a round? Seems to defeat the purpose a bit. Everyone just anticipates it and heads up into their purpose-built flood tower when the time is near. The only people punished are newbs or airheads like myself. I find it slows up the endgame needlessly and doesn't add anything to gameplay. Maybe that would change if it became a gradual rise in water level and boats were introduced.

EDIT: Re-reading that I know I sound like a whiner; keep in mind that I still enjoy the water feature despite its few flaws.

 

Bombs =/= Air propulsion device, but it is a feature, like an archers arrow.

Your point of a balanced game is making archers useless in water, making knights more deadly then they already are, let me point out the pros and cons of each class:
Archer
Pros:
Ranged, can kill enemies form a distance
Has the longest oxygen meter of all classes
Can climb using arrows
Can climb trees
Cons:
Only 2 hearts
Slower than the knight in the water
Arrows deplete

Knight
Pros:
Master of melee
Has deadly bombs at his disposal
Can Bombjump
Can destroy every block except Bedrock and Bricks
Fastest in the water
Can jump higher(slash jump)
Can Glide
Cons:
Has least oxygen of all classes
'defenseless' against 2+ archers who synced their shots
Whines about arrows damaging them in water

Now, you are telling me that even though knights are superior in many ways, that archers are OP? No, they are not, they are just more skilled then you in their area of skills, and you can't stand that they perfectly time their shots to murder knights, cause it is 'unfair' and 'unbalanced' as you say.

Archers have already been nerfed because of complaints, they have to draw their arrows first, and, arrows with a speed of 1(slowest) in water does no damage at all, so i don't understand how you can struggle with killing them, knights have shields, use them. People shouldn't complain about a skilled archer that times his shots right.


I play as knight, builder and archer, and i do not think that archers shouldn't be able to shoot people while they are in the water, or be able to damage them when the shoot into the water, because that is what the were made for. This game is based around teamwork and strategy, they use strategy to place themselves in the most deadly position to kill enemies, and they use teamwork to kill blocking knights.
I suggest you people do the same, a archer cant defend himself against a GOOD knight accompanied by a GOOD builder, use that to your advantage. Also, archers can't dig through anything besides dirt, so tunneling also nullifies their advantage.

But that is just my point, if Geti and MM want to nerf archers AGAIN, they can. Archers will just find more strategies to kill. Simple as that.

 

say a knight and an archer were in the water, the archer would win as all they had to is spam arrows and if the knights tries to shield they would sink like a stone
also scenario like this:




can anyone get out like this?
i god damn can't and it pisses me off, is this a glitch or lag?

 

that is sweet!

 

When boats come out, I hope to god they won't take damage from arrows. The way forts develop in water-crossing games, the amount of spam would be ridiculous and destroy a large target like a boat within seconds. I already think it's absolutely silly that arrows can make workshops explode (and, technically, catapults. But in that case it MIGHT be a good measure for balance, IF THE HITBOXES WEREN'T SO SCREWED UP). Anyway, I think it would suffice that the occupants are vulnerable to arrows.