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ArL - Arthurian League

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Freddex, Dec 9, 2012.

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  1. Freddex

    Freddex Haxor

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    Rules for the finals are not written yet. POWER can play outside Australia, I see no reason to make finals a boring steamroll by taking ping advantage. I assume that POWER will see the point and cooperate without forcing me to make up some silly rules. In the interest of a fair game, lets keep off Australia in the finals.
     
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  2. Yeah, Freddex, Finals we go in Cape Town, Africa! For the fairness of all international players we will be playing in http://www.gameservers.com/why/south-africa-hosting/ here. You can't blame the ping advantage in there. Also, since Yurop sux, American is bad and AusGAYlia is banned at all, we should use Africa :)
     
  3. Meh. I should prolly take this as a compliment, seeing as how if any other clan had the highest points instead of POWER, their home server rights won't be tampered with.
    Hopefully the other clans will plan on becoming international next season like POWER or Pk# so we don't have this "ping wins games" arguments a lot.
     
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  4. Hella

    Hella The Nightmare of Hair Global Moderator Donator Tester

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    It's undeniable that ping does heavily influence the outcome of games, though, for better or for worse. It's also a clear statement that POWER can also undoubtably field a team for a US match with generally pretty damn strong ping, whereas if other clans were forced to play in AUS then they would generally have absolutely shit ping. The US is essentially a middle ground between AUS and EU, but it seems logical in any case for the final to be hosted as close to in between the two teams assigned 'home' areas, if possible.
     
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  5. Well that is true. However, each clan in the league wants to play with their best players/team, right? So when given the chance, they would want to use their entire force. Which is the reason there are home and away matches. The home team finds their best players and picks a server obviously playable for them. The away team either bears through the lag with their best team or arranges a makeshift team with better ping to fight. We've been doing the makeshift thing, sadly, on the past EU matches (hence the ties) while our Aussies were the main team. If the finals do happen to be a fair ground for both teams, what's the motivation in trying to get most points? Doesn't that just make everyone else complacent, since they try to get 2nd instead?
     
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  6. Hella

    Hella The Nightmare of Hair Global Moderator Donator Tester

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    Bragging rights? You seem pretty good at exercising those.
     
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  7. Fair enough.
     
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  8. Verrazano

    Verrazano Flat Chested Haggy Old Souless Witchy Witch Witch THD Team Global Moderator Forum Moderator Tester
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    I don't believe it's fair to prohibit a clan from playing on their home turf, because they have international players. It is not the fault of the clan with international players. Its the fault of the other clans. We may have the Finals in another place, but by no means should you be disallowing us to use Australian servers, That would be extremely unfair to us considering everyone else gets to use their home servers. And by no means is playing on an Australian server an auto win, ping advantage is ping advantage, but that is true no matter where you go, we dislike playing on EU servers, because we have bad ping. But we will never whine or complain and say its unfair, because of ping. We lose/tie because our players are not doing the best they could and because the other team is doing better. The whole reason that home game away game was decided was to give each team a fair chance at having ping advantage. Just because we have international players doesn't mean we should have to play in some one else home server for our home game. If POWER is first than we will choose as we please, I don't expect any clan to sacrifice their position to play on their home server. So why should we have to? - Again this does not necessarily mean it will be in Australia, but this is would be an extremely biased decisions that would also prohibit further Australian clans which I know many would like to join next season. We are in fact an Australian clan if no one has noticed more than 60% of our players are Australian. If you have issues with ping suck up your Sectionalism views and recruit people from around the world their is nothing wrong with having people from different parts of the world and no one should be punished for expanding their clan beyond one region.
     
  9. WarrFork

    WarrFork フォーク Donator Tester

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    Make ArL only for americans.
     
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  10. Verrazano

    Verrazano Flat Chested Haggy Old Souless Witchy Witch Witch THD Team Global Moderator Forum Moderator Tester
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    I think the issue currently lies with the fact that you are all saying it's going to be one match. If the rules haven't been decided for the finals match I think they should be discussed. To avoid conflict with using Australian server or any server for that mater I suggest the following.

    The clan with the most points chooses the first server.
    Both clans play best 3/5 on that server or 2/3 if we want to keep it shorter
    The clan with the second most points chooses the second server
    Both clans play best 3/5 on that server
    If each clan wins once, then they move to a server chosen by neither party.
    The exception being if both clans choose to play on the same server.

    case 1) POWER chooses Australian, and wins, xCube chooses American, and win and it goes to a European match.
    case 2) BOW chooses European, and wins, Pk choose European and wins and it goes to European match.

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    There is no absolutely perfect solution and this is because we don't all live with in 150 mile radius of each other. If we did this would be amazingly simple and great, but I definitely don't believe the solution lies with excluding a group of players.

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    Also just a point on fair gameplay, As Freddex mentioned, I don't think it matters, you can have a fair game in any country, and if that was true we should exclude Europe because we don't get good ping there. I think the best solution is just have it happen on both teams servers. Again reiterating my point excluding a group of players is not the solution, I believe excluding Australia is just brought on by bias, I would ask why should I have to play on a European server? same reason you have to play on an Australian server, because in the end it evens out.
     
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  11. WarrFork

    WarrFork フォーク Donator Tester

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    So wrong, can't you see we all have +233 on aussies and on euro/americans servers, it's mostly (I didn't said everyone, don't count Symph too, he don't know internet.) + - 133 for everyone?
    So much bullshit around.
     
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  12. Verrazano

    Verrazano Flat Chested Haggy Old Souless Witchy Witch Witch THD Team Global Moderator Forum Moderator Tester
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    It's not bullshit, your excluding a large player base just, because you want to. And I don't think everyone falls into those categories you wrote. Either way the whole point of what I suggested is perfectly fair. I didn't say that we should only have it on Australian did I? I think the idea of only having one match is flawed.
     
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  13. WarrFork

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    Not even only one match would be good since we know you already won. It would just give you free points, that's stupid.

    And you're talking about a large player base? There is alot of players here that aren't in a clan and aren't in ArL but want to. I'm sure these aussies in POWER can survive without playing ArL and steamroll with ping too like every other.
     
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  14. Verrazano

    Verrazano Flat Chested Haggy Old Souless Witchy Witch Witch THD Team Global Moderator Forum Moderator Tester
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    So you think it's fair that the team with most points doesn't get to select where they play? No matter what you say Aoi it's not fair to exclude a large player base and it is large. It isn't our issue that we have players out side of Australia, why should we be forced to play else where, I see it as an issue of the other clans that are unwilling to recruit Australians. No reason that we should be punished, And if you think that no effort goes into our Australian matches than you're wrong, it still takes plenty of work. I don't think ping is as much of a problem as everyone makes it out to be. Or maybe we are just to used to it, we played for nearly 9 hours last Saturday, we switched between an American server and an Australian server playing Australian vs NA POWER and guess what we still had fun and both sides still did well. Stop bitching about ping and suck it up. It is possible to fight with ping and it is possible to get players who have low ping. I know it's not ideal, but if it was ideal we would all be in the same location. Again it's not exactly fair to just tell us oh, bummer you can't use half your players or a server just, because nobody likes, you. Suck it up, you can play. I will play in Australia and have fun, Australians can play in America and have fun, it's not impossible to believe or do.
     
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    Seem legit, then make play aussies POWER in a NA server each time you make us play on a aussie server.
    And actually, you never did.
     
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  16. Verrazano

    Verrazano Flat Chested Haggy Old Souless Witchy Witch Witch THD Team Global Moderator Forum Moderator Tester
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    Lol, I think you failed to read my post properly Aoi. I think your also just refusing to see my point. Suck it up and play with bad ping. It's not our fault that we have international players and we shouldn't be punished for it, just because you can handle playing with bad ping, "get better scrub." You still neglected to see the fact that I suggested a perfectly appropriate way to deal with this. Get over your self. You can't just neglect and entire side of a team and the potential for other clans that want to join ArL.
     
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    I've not read your posts, since 3/4 of it was bullshit with things like 'scrub, deal with it, suck it, stop bitching' and walls of text.
     
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  18. Verrazano

    Verrazano Flat Chested Haggy Old Souless Witchy Witch Witch THD Team Global Moderator Forum Moderator Tester
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    I'm getting frustrated with you because you failed to read stuff and you continually call what i say bullshit. It's not bullshit, basically the way I see is that people don't want to play POWER on POWER's turf because their haters. Please just get over your self and take my reasonable suggestion that is fair. We aren't taking free points you can beat us.
     
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  19. WarrFork

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    There;

    'I would ask why should I have to play on a European server?'

    If we compare your ping on EU vs an american on a aussie server, that's not valuable.

    'here is no absolutely perfect solution and this is because we don't all live with in 150 mile radius of each other.'

    Yes, you said there an 'huge player base' in australia, then make an ArL for aussies only, you guys are enough, right?

    'The clan with the most points chooses the first server.
    Both clans play best 3/5 on that server or 2/3 if we want to keep it shorter
    The clan with the second most points chooses the second server
    Both clans play best 3/5 on that server
    If each clan wins once, then they move to a server chosen by neither party.
    The exception being if both clans choose to play on the same server.'

    Seem useless, just make your aussie team playing on NA when NA clans play on aussies servers, that's more simple and fair enough.

    'Stop bitching about ping and suck it up.'

    I'm not bitching around, i'm trying to explain why I don't like aussies servers, that's all. I'm not saying 'suck it, get better scrub' like you do.

    'we dislike playing on EU servers, because we have bad ping.'

    Again, please stop comparing EU servers with aussies ones, there is an huge difference. If we compare them, your ping is awesome in EU between NA on aussies.
     
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  20. Verrazano

    Verrazano Flat Chested Haggy Old Souless Witchy Witch Witch THD Team Global Moderator Forum Moderator Tester
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    I have about 200 ping on EU servers and about 233 on Aussie servers. You can't really split ArL like that I don't think it would ever work nor would it be fun. And still I'm not saying anyone personally has to play on a server. Everyone can expand their clan to include multiple regions punishing one clan for having players from different places is bad. There is a large AUS player base and several other AUS clans that would like to get into ArL why should they be excluded, I think the home away system works perfectly fine and there is nothing wrong with it. Why do you think it's bad in the case of the finals?
     
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