Why I believe KAB has received so much negative feedback.

I think majority of the forts in Beta look rather nice, and the new maps have generally a bit less water + more halls, there's actually a lot of land moshpit combat going on all the time.

Spoiler: blutiful

 

Really? That seems like such an edge-case to remove an entire mechanic for. As someone who loves playing builder, the removal of this is a huge bummer. That and the nerfing of any damage you can do combat-wise makes being a builder a real drag in beta.

 

i just thought of a reason why some people hate beta so much. whenever the teams on any server go up to 10 or more per team shit starts to get wierd. bombs explode 5 seconds after detonation and make it impossible to bomb jump. also memory leaks happen more frequently i noticed at that many people. i keep on looking at the update log and i keep on seeing WE OPTIMIZED IT EVEN MORE FOR THE 8TH TIME. and i play it and its just even worse then it was before. what i really want more than anything out of beta right now is a really optimized game that doesnt lag at 20 players or more. this game will suffer if they cant fix and fix it for good because quite frankly im getting fed up with all the skips and lag that still exists in that game. other than that its great and can only get better:)

 

It's because beta isn't multi-threaded(Absolutely fucking terrible), and Beta only will use one core on your machine. So if you have 4-6 cores, it will only use one of them and make the server lag like shit. So pretty much, you need to pay top dollar(Probably like $40+/per month) for a vps that has 3.0GHZ cpu, and like at least 1 gb of ram. However, these lag problems only seem to occur when the server is full of players(24-32) and have a lot of stuff going on(water moving, boats being placed, bombs e.t.c). This is kag, it shouldn't require extreme amount of resources to run a damn server, this is where I am a annoyed.

Geti mentioned that multi-threaded support will not be available any time soon, because it will require a lot of recoding of the game. Maybe the devs will re-look this over, as I see a game like Kag beta a game that needs as much resources as it can get, and access to more cpu's if needed. Otherwise, don't look forward to multi-threading any time soon, if you have cpus that are maxed at 2.0ghz you are screwed(You need at least 3.0ghz to run a TTH with 32 slots smoothly). Rather annoying, because now I got to go ask my host to upgrade my vps if I want to run beta servers. Who's going to pay for expensive hardware to just run a kag beta server, when you can run like 5 kag classic servers with 2gb ram and 4cpus clocked 2.0ghz?

 

thats just sad

 

The reason I said to not get in the back-and-forth was because the argument had spread over a couple of threads and lost the original meaning.

You're right though. We should call bullshit whenever we see it as a pose to sucking up to mods.
EDIT: Nah I was just stupid and confused two people before posting. A rare yet unforgivable mistake. :(

 

Entombing is a really, really horrible tactic to play with and play against (although I have to say it requires in classic to hit decent timings with blocks and whatnot).
Basically in a game where knights can destroy even less blocks (and not necessarily have bombs) it was considered even more powerful (therefore, thrice as annoying) so it was get rid of.

Nevertheless, I have to say that you need now much more mats to assault as a builder but I'm sure this will be resolved by certain fixes later on.

 

What MPI library did you have in mind?

 

Entombing... ._.

I always used to call them termites back in Classic...and dang were they annoying! Most people would use a combo of tunneling and then termite their way up into towers to entomb themselves and destroy it from the inside. All my hate! Maybe it wouldn't have been so bad if they didn't also constantly taunt those outside of their tomb because they knew it took way too much work to stop them.

So glad this isn't nearly as much of an issue in BETA.

Also, being someone mentioned it a little while ago, I don't really understand why people complain that they can't easily beat up Knights as Builder anymore...It doesn't even make sense to be able to do more than small bits of damage to a Knight when the Builder is more of a support class than an offense class. It was always an issue in classic when those who figured out how to exploit how the Builder works could mow down anyone who didn't also know how to play as an offensive builder(or didn't know how to avoid them) and then work on taking down the defenses.
But hey, people will always defend something that is overpowered when they use that overpowered thing, no matter how unfun it is for others...*stares at tunneling across the map and how many defend that*.

 

geti, someone please hear this. there is a glitch now where you can take out the floor of halls and make spikes under it and saws as well. its really annoying and makes it almost impossibe to take a hall with this exploit. please look in to this issue
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A very not good thing im noticing now is that with these last updates things were fixed and modified in order to make the gaming expierence better. they fixed the trampoline bug as being the more notable fix. however with all these fixes came many bugs. now you can slash through enemy team doors again. you can use ladders to destroy any tile. yes even the floor tiles of halls making it possible to place ridiculously unfair traps in them. knight combat was broken to begin with but now its even worse. i slashed behind and enemy away from him and he died... thats just the begining. im seeing more and more no animation slashes and some even longer swords which is disheartening to say the least. im not sure but i heard something happened with archer combat as well. i did notice arrows curving unnaturally and hitting people they really shouldnt be able to hit at all. im sure there are other stupid bugs now. but this is just showing the problems with beta. this may be a reason as to why some dislike beta. what should be done is thourough testing of every build before its put out for the public use. just putting 3 or more quick builds out with in days has done all this to beta now. i am really worried about one thing tho. is it possible to even get beta to be where it needs to be? every fix or modification seems to have a bad repercussion. like fixing warboats having more hp makes ladders be able to destoy all blocks( theoretically). this theory is open for discussion as im sure the devs would love to hear our suggestions for this mess

 

Wait, are people really expecting updates of a game in beta form to not cause new bugs by accident? I have a feeling they have never looked into much coding or thought of making their own game before if they didn't except the ye old "Well I fixed one bug but now we have 5 new ones to fix" to happen. Things will smooth out after a while, this is why it is a beta! Heck, during the closed beta many held the mentality of "We aren't here to have fun, but to help find things that need improved or fixed, fun happens in-between though", and trust me things are better along now than they were back early Beta.

The only time to complain that a Build is buggy is when the game is fully released and not in Beta anymore, once it hits that point I can only imagine that the KAG team will take more time between updates to make sure it is more refined and not release an unfinished update! (I am looking at you Mojang, buggy and broken updates every time!)

Either way, everyone working on KAG is doing a great job, and deserves some praise, and quite deserves my praise by a landslide, for how the game is coming along, and I plan on sticking around for a good long while to see the progress!

 

Yeah I agree, Beta is really coming along. I cant believe that i'm saying this, but I thought I would always love classic more than beta because I played it so much before Beta even came out. But now I cant stop playing Beta. The devs are doing an awesome job.

 

Yeah, it was annoying sometimes, but it was also a major strategy in the game for a very long time. It also wasn't necessarily that effective. That builder could spend 15 minutes getting into position, then if a defending builder dug to him and let some knights go kill him, he was toast. My thinking: if an opposing player wastes 15 minutes on a dead-end strategy, that's 15 minutes they aren't doing something to help their team win the game. Same when I used to get knights to chase me around underground as builder... Hey, if they want to waste their time chasing me instead of fighting the real fight...

Well, the builder does have a GIANT PICKAXE, so from that perspective, it does make sense that he should be able to do some damage. ;)

But seriously, as someone who largely played offensive-builder in classic, the appeal in Beta right now is pretty low. There seems to be so few resources (now that recycling is gone), and any water-focused map kills any need for forward towers. It seems like the role of builder in Beta is to set up all the automated shops and then go switch to knight. Not fun for my play style, but hey, the game isn't just being built for me...

Yeah, this is a problem with any class-based game. People always complain that the strategy being used against them is OP. As a builder, drills seemed really overpowered to me. They're really cool, but it kinda makes you go, "why bother?" I'm sure if I was a knight tearing people's shit up, I'd feel differently.

 

That is also several other players in the enemy team trying to dig you out of there while you can just constantly repair the tiles. The termite builder might not be doing something to help their team win the game, but at the same three players on the other team need to be there, preventing the builder from actually becoming useful. Therefore, in a way you are sacrificing one player for 3 enemy players -- and if the enemy ignores you instead, the results will be pretty severe for them.

That's something strong for a single guy to pull off, and not really fun for anyone else but perhaps the termite himself.

EDIT edit: I think resources should be harvestable from wood blocks - and wood blocks only - so that the builder can at least quickly provide some ladders or perhaps block the enemy door out.

 

What do you consider a high ping?

 

He's australian, so probably around 500. 400 is the normal ping.

 

Well then with my 200-300 ping the game should be flawless