[893][Gen] Why does everyone have a negative... Tunneling Discussion

Why does everyone hate tunneling. I hear people say it ruins the whole game. I rarely ever see this and when I do I just invade it or flood it. I can't see this as a problem so kag people plwesse elaborate.

 

I don't know what you are on about, I fucking love tunnelling.

 

I rarely hear anyone speak of tunneling, and when someone actually DOES tunnel some people get happy because it reminds them of the fun days when it was an active thing in almost every game.

It felt like there were two battlefields that needed to be watched, sort of like lanes in a DOTA type game or something. And I know some people might not be happy with that comparison, but w/e.

 

Oh I'm not complaining about tunneling I'm just wondering why some people absolutely hate it.

 

Tunneling just ruins the game. Once you acceded enemy base, being flooded is not a problem: Take stone for doors and a lot of sponges and you're done. They block it? No problem, drill and you're done.
That is why I love placing a hundred of bedrock blocks at middle of my maps, hah

 

Well, if used right it is a good strategy. In other words, don't let the noob finish his damn tunnel. I am fine with it if it is being used properly, as I enjoy any tactic which can be used to brutally murder the enemy team. However, I have to somewhat agree with Asu, it doesn't make a fun game as it is an easy tactic. Cave fighting is one thing, tunneling with a horde of knights is another.

 

The main reason why people hate it is because it's really dang effective while requiring very little skill to accomplish. I mean come on - who can't dig a hole?

 

Well if you seen TB's wtf is kag vid you could see that there a person could have trouble digging a hole. I think this is a matter of dedication vs skill when it comes to tunneling.

 

When somebody decides to build a tunnel, it requires a lot of time. Let's say one builder decides to make a long tunnel to the enemy flag. The team that is building the tunnel then has to live with one less player defending on the surface. There is no clear advantage until the tunnel is actually finished, only disadvantages. Even when you finish a tunnel, it is not effective unless many players are willing to utilize that tunnel.

Also, this strategy heavily relies on the advantage of surprise. If, by chance, the tunnel is spotted while digging and is accessed by the enemy, the tunnel will instead give the advantage to the enemy because there is no risk for them. The tunnel is 1) not finished, 2) does not lead to their base, 3) leads to the origin of tunnel (often close to base) All efforts will be lost too, and the team digging the tunnel will have wasted their time.

If the tunnel gets to the enemy base/behind lines, even then, the advantage only lasts for a little while. After the first initial wave is over, the enemy can effectively close off the tunnel or even take it over. So unless the team building the tunnel has strong defenses and is able to cause a lot of damage using the first wave, the tunnel strategy really serves no purpose.

Lastly, you can often see a lot of knights following a builder while digging a tunnel. The whole tunnel process is a huge investement both in the starting phases and during the operation itself. This severely weakens the defenses on the surface. It is a lot quicker to just ladderspam over towers than it is to dig a tunnel through countless dirt blocks. Therefore, the enemy team will have the advantage because their units are not spread, but rather focused on one battle ground - until the tunnel is finished that is. However, by the time the tunnel is finished, the enemy team will have made considerable advances on the surface, and defending against a tunnel attack is not necessarily difficult.

So, the reason many people might dislike the tunneling strategy is because when pulled off badly, it can lead to the loss of the entire match; there is a considerable amount of risk. Often, there is one person that does not notify the team and just starts digging. In best case scenarioes, the team notices and some knights join in. However, there are many times where nobody actually sees the tunnel and the enemy just spots a single builder digging beneath their base. The enemy quickly overruns the tunnel and gains a significant advantage. This can be very frustrating and you often see people yelling at these 'diggers'

Spoiler: Note

Note; might not include all reasons as to why tunneling is disliked, but at least some main points. Also, this is mostly centered around classic KAG, but some points might still be valid in Beta [Did not realize this was in the Beta section, derp]

 

I don't like tunneling. Mostly like this: While we're fighting brucely on the surface, they're tunneling through our defences like a pussy.

 

But this game is no always about fighting. Sometimes the fighting just turns into a stalemate when no one can push up and a builder has to step up. I know they could just build a better infrastructure, but sometimes people just have to resort to tunneling. Anyways its somewhat impossible now with all bedrock in the vannila maps.

 

Thats some positive thinking. But I rarely see him talks.

 

I like it because it adds kind of a third dimension to a fight, it also is *really* cool to have a battlefield pockmarked with the ruins of old defenses and bombed tunnels, I'm just sayin'.

 

Yeah, i agree with @MCrypa , tunneling takes far too many resources from your team, and once that initial breakthrough is over, is then immediately rendered useless if the enemy has a quick-acting builder. If started in a bad location, it can even turn the tide of the game, and lead the enemy straight into your base. It's too much risk to be a viable strategy, unless your team is completely dominating above ground. Even then, you could just mine out their defenses, or ladderspam over them. Would do the same job, and take much less time.

 

Good point @The_Trumbles Good to see you engaged in conversation. But back to your point, tunneling IMO is one of the worst strategies. Tunneling in most games leads to the "Tunnelers" defeat, because it takes too long depending on the size of the map, and the fact that once to you make it to the other side the whole enemy team is waiting for your arrival.

 

I have no problem with people tunneling. It makes the game more exciting imo. People are going to bitch about it though, and bitchers will be bitchers.

 

The problem with tunneling is people usually start it in a relatively safe, and important spot in your teams defenses and it gets opened up in a unneeded and unsafe spot the enemy are swarming, resulting in a bunch of enemy knights entering a tunnel some builder just spent the entire match digging around your shops blowing everything up.

Tunnels are fine, but the people who tunnel start them in the absolute worst places possible, tunneling in front of your towers and defenses is fine, people will enter it and if the enemy gets it they won't be anywhere important, but people want to tunnel inside of your towers and defenses to the enemy resulting in a giant disaster nearly akin to griefing, in how upset it makes everyone that someone on their own team just gave the enemy a clear path through the defenses.