[1026] Does anyone else think the archers should be more powerful?

I think there should be a bit more archers in each game, a lot of times I goto a game theres tons of builders and knights but most of the time not many archers, or at least in the matches I end up on. I think that might be because its to hard to defend you self and get kills with them. If anything i think they should be able to craft arrows that may be able to pierce through the knights shields and maybe to a bit more damage on impact, but this is just my opinion.

 

Archers definitely not overpowered. They have 2 hearts for a reason. GOOD archers can be one of the most annoying players out on a map. (I'm looking at you Trembles & Oodle of Noodle). One of the main reasons why I die in battle is because good archers like Trembles & Oodle of Noodle are able to land shots on me when I'm least expecting it making it much easier for the knights around me to kill me. Now when I play KAG and I'm facing up against a knight an archer, I'll priorities the archer over the knight and kill the archer first (if I'm able to) because the archer is ultimately going to be hurting me and my teammates the most being able to take long range shots and land 1 heart of damage with every arrow they hit. It may seem at first that archers are under-powered but in reality, archers have just as much of an ability to take out enemy knights than knights do themselves. You just have to learn how to use the class to the best of it's ability. Take use of grabbing hooks, damage dealt when landing on players, and the 3 shot arrow special along with charged up arrows to stun knights.

I would suggest looking at this wonderful guide made by JTG if you would like to improve your archery skills.

https://forum.kag2d.com/threads/921-guide-a-laymans-guide-to-archery.16794/

 

i guess you have point, it does take lots more skill than any other class

 

ehhhhhh, ehhhh.
I really liked it when Archers contrasted knights more.
It was too much fun to have range (and damage) supplant mobility, when it happened, and getting into fencing battles with knights...

But yeah, archers are mostly a terror against themselves because of their low health, and ability to spam arrows at each other. Try hiding in trees, on top of towers, or behind other knights: Pretty much force them into a spot that they can't readily shoot/spam you.

 

you sure know how to make a boy blush...

Yeah I'd say archers are fine the way they are, if not a little overpowered, but knights having bombs really tips it in their arrow slashing-range increasing with velocity-four heart-one hit killing favor.

 

If there is one class I think should be changed more is the builders, archers are more than 'fine' the way they are, some people might say 'u no gud enugh knight lel any night can kill archar' but when you can get the highest score in your team with 50% of your deaths being archers (the other 50% being caused by an archer indirectly) ... there's a problem there. If anything I would nerf archers a little ... buffing them would cause the end of knights, everyone would play as an archer :P

 

I think archer is fine...

Though, nerf knights so they can't slash or stab incoming arrows. Really annoying in close range when knight with one heart just tries to stab me to death and I am trapped. His stabbing protects him from damage and kills me at the same time!

They got a shield for a reason! Or do they? :(

Please fix that!

 

I feel that slashes should continue cancel out arrows, but stabbing should not.

 

Mfw @xRush101 can't spell my name.

Seriously though, as far as actual damage numbers go, archers are fine.

I wouldn't want arrow slashing removed, because then knights would be too easy. I just wish that the slash hitboxes were more accurate, so there isn't a period AFTER a knight's slash where they can still hit me/break my arrows..

I wish arrow jabbing to be removed however. There really shouldn't be any encouragement for jabspamming.

Having a third heart for archer would be nice, although i'm still not sure how that would affect overall class balance. (we've tested it in FFA, and it felt pretty good, but that's FFA, not a team mode). As-is, playing archer up close requires absurd amounts of skill in comparison to enemy knights, because if you make a single wrong step, you instantly die. Not to mention bombs...

Overall though, i think archers are quite balanced. Minor tweaks are all that could really be changed without making them crazy OP.

Oh, the one other thing that bugs me is how large a knight's shield hitbox is. If i shoot a knight in the kidney while he's holding a shield over his head, my arrow shouldn't hit his shield...

 

I, for one, feel that archers should be improved. Those of you who don't think so have provided some good arguments, but you've also provided the argument that if you know how to play the archer, then you're pretty useful. I am very good at both the knight and the builder, but I'm not very good at the archer, and I shouldn't have to train to even be useful as an archer if I can just run out there as a knight and make everything die and explode. Honestly. I say we give them something to make them more useful. Maybe a spacebar option could be arrow jab? The developers seem pretty fond of jabbing as it is.

 

But fix so knights can't stab arrows, please!

 

Your definition of struggle and the actual definition of struggle are not the same.

Holding shield down, standing a short distance away, and waiting for an archer to fire a triple shot against your shield or overcharge and stun themselves is not struggling.

Struggling is four archers firing volleys of arrows at a knight closing in while he shields and you do nothing.

That's struggling.

 

The way I see it, the only issue with Archers is that they're too situational; they're only effective when the terrain is on their side, or when the enemy is distracted by your own team's Knights. On flat ground or in water with no nearby grapple points, they're noticeably vulnerable, and it sucks. A lot.

I've said this several times: A great solution would be to give Archers a sort of dash ability that gives them a bit of a boost in the direction they're moving, allows them to pass through a single actor, and grants them a teeny window of invulnerability. This would allow Archers with superior timing to get past an aggressor Knight or deal some damage to them, even on flat ground.

This ability could be bound to the Spacebar by default, and a suitable cooldown (5 to 10 seconds, perhaps) could ensure that it doesn't become annoyingly overused.

If you ask me, it's just the buff they need. I might just make a thread in Suggestions.

 

^Yfw flat ground is one of the best places to 1v1 a knight on...?

Lol i seriously don't understand that part. I rek people on flat ground. I grapple straight over their silly heads if i need to get to the other side. Super easy.

 

My definition of "flat ground" means no nearby things to grapple onto. Hence the "flat." No trees, no towers sticking up, nothing. Flat.

I don't think you can grapple over people's heads in places like that.

 

Grapple... the ground. You can get absurd momentum just pulling yourself along the ground, i can time between a knight's slashes and grapple over/through him safely. Trees and uneven terrain just get in the way. (I hate trees)

Do you even horizontal bungee? :3

 

To be fair this is really hard. And it would take a very distracted knight in order to get by unscathed. the knight's swing has a lot of arc to it and covers, depending on their velocity, at least one player height above them.

The more I play, the more I feel the archer should get another heart, or half of one, just so a knight can't single hit you. Makes me so mad when I land an arrow on a Knight at point blank, but because of lag their slash lands and they become stunned by my arrow but they don't care because I'm dead and they now have their health back from that arrow shot.