Breaking Fire Arrows

I wish there WAS an alternate way to actually destroy the Fire Arrows.
After all, you don't always have access to water, on TTH you don't research water arrows or water bombs so you get screwed, and knights can't break the block fast enough to stop the flames from spreading.
They nerfed kegs (ability to make them drop it) so they weren't inevitable, I think they should do the same with fire arrows (AKA the new inevitable game-ruiners).

• If you are low on resources, the map is old. Not that you suck. I have played many maps where you just can't access stone, so you use wood. It's either that or lose the game.
• Some Default maps don't have much water, if any. So now, you are saying that the maps suck. Okay.

I don't want to say that I agree because then people would probably focus more on that statement and not realize the actual context of this thread.
But I still agree!

 

The only thing is, though, that most people don't think like that.
They see a Fire Arrow, and they panic.
They don't don't think logically, like changing wood to stone, breaking the block first, or having water somewhere close, so for most not-so-elite people, there is no way to destroy it.
Almost every other thing in the game is destroyable in some way or another. And this shouldn't be an exception.

 

But, as I said, I literally have NEVER seen ANYONE with a bucket of water on a traditional server on a traditional map, at least not in a couple months. And I have played over 250 hours, so you would think that I would have at least seen it once.
This makes me believe that it isn't common knowledge.
I don't know how good you are, Auburn, but I think that you probably aren't the majority of builders who don't know much.

 

Players just do not use buckets. Even if there is a fire, do you have enough time to get a bucket and stop the fire before it spreads?

No. No you don't.

@Auburn

I don't think you can honestly say that in the past month you have used, let alone seen anybody using buckets more than maybe once.

I haven't even seen a bucket in over a month, and I play probably about as much as you do.

Water arrows and water bombs are rarely ever used. I seem them maybe once a week in ctf.

Also, I didn't even mention it yet, but if you break a block that has been shot with a fire arrow, the fire still spreads even though the block isn't there anymore. It is more of a bug, but still...

 

I can't say I disagree with everything you say, mainly because I still think the system As-Is, is OK. But when you say "Fire has multiple reasonable counters," yes, they are "reasonable," but seldom used. I play primarily CTF. I never see buckets. However, I do see water arrows and bombs every-so-often, but they still are rarely used.

When they are used, it for sure isn't on buildings on fire. The only items bought in CTF are bombs, bomb arrows, and kegs. Everything else just isn't worth the gold really.

You also say that you can break the block and replace it... I tried that recently and it didn't work. The fire still managed to spread. The arrow stayed in the air, attached to an invisible block, and then it spread.

I do agree with you that fire can end late game stalemates quickly, but in cases of mid game battles where quickly built structures in the middle of the battlefield are easily susceptible to fire arrows, they can just as quickly take it down with no chance of it being stopped.

Building technique is also just as important, good builders do indeed know how to fire proof.

So after thinking about everything you have said, and others have said... I suggest this:

Allow for explosions, that means bombs and bomb arrows, to dislodge arrows if it doesn't blow up the block itself.

That then requires skill to throw the bomb. Money to spend on the bomb. And it is less easy to break the arrow.

Thoughts?

 

no midgame structures should be "susceptible to fire arrows". If yours are, learn to play better

 

Water bombs are extremely useful early game!
I always carry water bombs when we're about to push because its helpful
and gives our team an advantage, especially in CTF's first flag rush.
Their useful all around in general, you can easily put pressure on enemy knights with a few splashes and let your team mates clean up, and they're great for an escape tactic.

 

They are good to use in combat.

Where is combat typically found?

Not in your base. Thats where.

And as you said, they are extremely useful early game.

Mid to Late game is the time when standard bombs are bought the most. Bomb jumping. Breaking into bases. And so on. Yes, they are sometimes used for crowd control when all of their knights are bunched up at your base, but that only stuns. You then have to jump down, leaving a chance for another non-stunned knight to attack you.

Bombs late game do burst damage and when there are crowds of enemies at your front door, having something that you can throw from a distance and do damage with, something that costs less than the alternative, and doesn't cause you to have to jump into the death pit of enemies, is picked over the other.

Fire arrows are extremely useful late game.

You see what I am getting at?

I rarely am ever hit by water arrows. Even with the newest update where there is an influx people playing archers, it still isn't very common. They may be the highest volume archer ammo, but how often and when are they used?

Sure in TTH where they are supplied to you free of charge, but in CTF, most archers save their money and buy bomb or fire arrows. They may be more expensive, but they help your team push. Yes water ammo stuns players and can help push to the enemy base, but once you get to the wall, what are you going to do now?

Also, 20c is a lot more cheap than 30c or 50c, especially early game when water equipment is used most as Crimson said in his post. Fire and bomb arrows are not needed early game because structures are not entirely built yet.

Cheap and used early game. That is why water equipment is used.

As for explosions dislodging arrows... Yes, it could look like griefing, but so does bomb jumping. And in most cases, when bomb jumping from your base, you destroy a block unless you jump beforehand. But not many players do that. That is done regularly, so I don't see how throwing a bomb up in the air during a fight will make anyone stop and try to kick them. Especially when, over time, people will realize what it is actually doing.

There isn't anything hard about buying water ammo. That is true. But when a building is about to go up in flames, and you only have 3 seconds to stop it from igniting, all you can use is the equipment in your inventory then and there. There isn't anywhere close to enough time to buy something to put out the flame with.

On paper, buying water ammo to put out fires is a no brainer, but in-game, in the chaos that is KAG, there is going to be almost no chance of putting out that fire unless you can use something you have on you then and there.