Build 1233 - Builders and Archers

Hate the new update. No skill what so ever involved in archer now. I used to be a pretty good archer but now, everyone just spams the shotgun, killing anyone in 1v1. Hate this update so much.

 

Yep, I can beat archers with the one and half shots but this new Legolas is more spammy and OP in CQC and will most likely result in a nerf down the line for archers. Tis a sad day in the kingdom.

 

True that.

 

Campers gonna camp regardless of a "buff" or nerf. Now the archer is more OP in CQC and like I said before, Geti forbid they nerf the archer for this new change.

 

Ik but now campers are waaaaaayyyy to powerful as campers.

 

You're speaking with regards to a typical hastily thrown together outpost, and that's fine. However, IIRC the flag is 6 tiles tall. Put two layers on top of it to protect from knights blowing the top off, and most teammates can't climb over it now. Especially so if there's a dip in the ground at the back of the flag.

I have ways of putting a 4 tile tall wall two spaces from the flag tower so people can mount-jump it, but everyone else just spams ladders. And ladders are taken out in a single slash, leaving your team with an unclimbable tower until someone fixes it.

 

Hate to double post, but don't try to fight more than one enemy in mid to close range unless your a half shot and triple arrow bullet dodger.

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Yes, hide in door spring out wit triple shot, you don't even have to aim for this and if you wanted to you could close your eyes.

 

I don't see the triple shot as an issue in archer duels, really.. But I guess if it turns out to be a problem, getting hit by an arrow could cancel your charge state so that single shots have a purpose (they are already much more effective bar cqc if you know how to aim)

 

Not really archer duels but more 1v1 knights and camping archers. It's too easy for the archer now.

 

Sounds like you have been playing vs bad knights. You just have to keep your distance and they can't do shit.. when they make a mistake, move in, or if you have bombs, move in.

 

Ik but the "shotgun" makes it too easy to kill a knight now. I wish the made the shotgun two shots maybe.

 

On the plus side for archers, shotgun has a higher chance to knock thrown bombs back at the knight if you aim well.

 

Up close not even aiming you get a insta-kill on archers and builders.

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I could shoot bombs before the new Legolas. If youcan't do CQC you shouldn't get a handicap, in this case a spammy one.

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Nooooess, see it seems this will cause a nerf.

 

Nerf for shoutgun = BEST NERF EVA

 

Come to play on Public servers, with 26 slots.
See the arrows spam. see the archers only using the tripleshot. see the 10 archers camping only using the tripleshot.


The update is good, except the new tripleshot. It really increased the numbers of archers spamming arrows, it's really hard now to progress if there is 5 archers in opposite team.
It does not make the archers stronger, just making them spamming more. The previous tripleshot was better, and as powerful as it is now, without the arrow spam.

 

I just hopped onto a black death server. Right off the bat I saw that there was a decrease of knights and an increase of archers. [Not necessarily saying thats bad but ehhh KAG's main offensive force was the knight from quite a few builds back, changing this makes it feel quite unexpected].
The main issue I think I should address here are the "archer shotgun bows"

Lets say that your a knight, and your busy fighting a couple of knights when all of a sudden an archer pops up and shot guns you in the face. R.I.P
Not to say, The triple shot involves just spamming arrows with pretty much zero skill at all. One archer alone at a distance may not pose a threat with the new shotgun ability, But if you think of archers in a pack while your distracted fighting knights some distance away, You'd most likely end up dead due the legolas shotgun barrage which they will unleash from behind their knights. It just makes it feel like killing a knight is too easy now, where in the previous build it was always a challenge to take down a good knight.

All it takes are pretty much 2 archers to fuck up a knight with bombs. One would just water bomb him while the other would go right up close to him and shotgun him. Even if the knight did have one heart left, a simple archer half-shot could take him down. I just think that the archers amount of offensive power and agility is just too overwhelming because of the shotgun legolas. I think that this should be fixed asap [I can confidently say that the new legolas shot is worse than the jab spammers]. [You could just shield the jab spammers for that matter]

 

You're forgetting that archers are piss poor for offense. Defense is their main role now, which I like. Water arrows should be nerfed to non-aoe though.

 

jesse louise Geti the triple-shot was a far more well-rounded, useful and in my opinion, superior feature. I think the archer class has been mangled badly - here are my main concerns:

1. With the Legolas you could shoot effectively and accurately from long distances, whereas the shitegun just haphazardly disperses arrows outwards, which fundamentally defeats the prior long-range skill of the archer class.
2. Thus, the average shotgun archer becomes (to be effective) a mid-to-short-range player who depends upon both chance when firing their multidirectional arrows and, more importantly the power of numbers.
3. All the matches I've played under 1233 have been stalemates involving large numbers of either door/defence hugging or gang-roaming shotgun archers who capitalise on distracted knights with their overwhelming spams of arrows.
4. My fave, the super close-range, super infuriating "knock back" dealt out by bold use of the Legolas has been severely incapacitated, especially in water-combat, due to the multidirectional dispersion of arrows.
5. The offensive archer is a little redundant due to the nerfing of the knock-back and the newfound crowds of shotgun spammers.

Considering the bulk of archers (questionably) depend upon the triple-shot/shotgun, you've drastically reduced the skill ceiling required, and as a result, the quality of matches. I think the other dev changes, bar the tunnels, are top notch, but I think this archery really needs mending.

 

It seems to me that in every build archers are becoming better and better and the knights getting worst. How about if we remove knights all together ? That would "solve" all issues.