Changes for Builders/Bridges

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Indifferent as to building while standing - although I'm not sure how this will pan out; I like risking a run to the front to help out me knights.
Radius compensation and tighter construction block rules make sense. Can't wait for a test build.

 

approve of most everything

enemies mindlessly spamming ladders and bridges you just spent far too much time clearing can be extremely frustrating

good riddance to jump-building. useful, but it encourages some pretty stupid building habits (like blocking your team from the spawn)

dunno about double the build radius. could be troublesome. i think the current radius is fine

 

I think the build radius is a bit silly as is.
If it does get increased, enemies should most definitely carry a large no-build-radius with them.

Perhaps if ladders acted as cheap scaffolding, but did not support / were not supported by castle blocks at all? Combined with substantially increasing trap bridge cost it should work.

The reason this is a problem in the first place is that vertical defense is the only useful defense.

 

It would change the way we build things. Perhaps for the better.

 

First time I was thinking just like 'awesome idea, absolute must-implement'. But now I'm a bit more sceptical. I still like the idea but first we just need to test it and later decide whether improve it or remove it.

 

implement this without increasing build radius please okay thanks

 

Increasing build radius means tunneling builders are even more OP, even if they have to stand still.

The rest sounds test worthy.

 

I would make wooden doors cheaper (30 wood) as they are the only weak point of castle from knight point of view, and make bridges more expensive (15 wood) as it is so damn good.

Guess with use less wood and is knight proof... (and is faster to move through as doors are damn slow)...

 

Are you kidding me right now?
The only reason this situations occur is beacuse you turned bridges into two-way platforms a.k.a team-only ladders.
You should listen to the suggestions to either leave the bridges as they were or, I quote:

And on top of that, you want to nerf the hell out of the builder itself even though you gave them an extra heart to make them more offensive (which was good, beacuse they are needed to move forward!) Wow, im speechless.

 

Offensive builder > Movement nerf > Defensive builder

I would approve making the drawbridges destructable by builders even when they're open.
That would solve all the problems Geti was talking about.

 

two-way drawbridge is fail idea=\

 

need test it first, then say that it is fail idea

 

I'm not often a builder so I don't know how important this is to changing the pace of a match. Sounds hilarious though.

 

If they want to spice up the class builder and make their task more difficult, rather than builders could only build while standing still, they should add a limit building blocks horizontally without support !

 

(couldn't post it on the dev page)
I'd like (a lot) the background dirt not giving more support to user blocks, but this would mean that someone tunneling right under a structure would collapse said structure.

The inability to build while on the air (jumping) is a necessary nerf, but have them not press any buttons? Wouldn't it be better to make the builder come to a complete stop every time a block is placed? It don't see much difference between the two, except for the latter being more convenient.

I'm thinking an enhanced+ building ratio could enable some sort of block spamming griefing on the building phase.

 

I second the idea of being able to destroy opened drawbridges. Sounds very important. How silly is that to have to get at the perfect distance of the drawbridge in order to destroy it ? And wait for all your friends to stop running through it ?

I'm not sure about the ideas presented here. Building while standing still makes sense from a realism point of view.

Some more ideas :
- Stop losing gold when destroying enemy buildings ; maybe even gain some. This way, enemy builder spammers are feeding you and bringing you valuable ressources.
- Keep the ability of crossing bridges from top to bottom, but change it significantly this way : when you are on top of you own team bridge, pressing down actually opens it ! (or maybe pressing E ?) This might seem strange at first but might be a very good idea ; first it's more realistic (how would you cross solid wood ?) ; second it nerfs the drawbridge, which is, as said above, a perfect team-only ladder ; third it makes things more messy because you will make you team mates fall (and I like messy things :D )

 

yes lets give players more ways to accidentally/intentionally screw over their teammates in the dubious name of "realism"

apparently you would need to wall off and protect some magical dirt/bedrock to keep your structures afloat

 

Is there a test-build up on these ideas? It could be a pretty major nerf for the builder, where jump-building ladders is nearly essential to an assault. It might be more appropriate to nerf the bridge itself. There are some problems with the proposed castle-support-nerf.

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When faced with a fortification, you have to either go under it, over it, or through it. Knights can't go through castles very easily anymore, but a good team can climb a squat wall. Soil permitting, providing the competition isn't too fierce, they also do a good job at digging around it. Once they get through, knights are very dangerous. A lone archer can climb any wall build without an overhang or a drop-block trap, but their effectiveness at such close range has been severely nerfed with the warmup to shoot. They can not pass through enemy doors (idea: lockpicks for archers & allow that knife to injure builders). Builders make these things and they take them apart with relative ease, but are fragile in combat.

Could ladders be made into a buildable, haulable object? Stick a few together and carry them to the front? Store a few in a back-room somewhere? Require them to be supported from below? Allow them to be turned on their side and set a maximum weight tolerance (too complex a mechanic?), preventing a team of knights from passing over without collapsing the structure.

Bridges were once simpler to remove. We saw builders tearing them up and replacing them with their own, back then.

Tree-scarcity is a factor.

Simple solution: Bridges require a small amount of stone to build their mechanisms.

Another solution: require coin to be used in their construction.
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