Knights being able to slash/stab/shield with bomb out leaves archers with no options

How do we know you haven't used your 4 alts to taint the polls :^), anyway that wouldn't be a suggestion and I for one still don't like the shotgun archers but im not making a thread begging for their removal. Somethings are pointless to fight over
Also it can be conceiveable the same game because the only things changed was, class movement, grappling hook for archers, triple shot for archers, knight double slashing without hiting the person first, pickaxe doing 1 heart damage, arrow stunning from any distance, and arrows doing 1.5 heart damage. Minus anything I missed listing and the items added to the game they are conceivable the same game but then again if so many things are different then the game has evolved so much it cant be the same thing ie build 1180 =/= kag but only a baby form

 

No one likes my tweaks? Give knights a surpression item

 

This is stupid. Beta is far from Classic: Otherwise, why keep both?

 

Because they are, and they are trying to make something that isn't break neck slow as classic, or break neck fast in beta, but getting no real breakthroughs so options are better than nothing.

 

Thanks for the development insight, @Verrazano. I think that when you get down to it, debating KAG build 190 and KAG build 1390 are both KAG is largely one of symantics; it doesn't matter for purposes of this discussion. Let me explain.

I think that when a person is describing something like a specific game mechanic, it is helpful to compare it to another game with the same or similar mechanic. Someone might say something like, "In King Arthur's Gold, you can mine for resources much like you can in Terraria." That comparison doesn't require KAG to be anything like Terraria (which it isn't) so long as the specific thing being described is comparable. So, when people are trying to describe a KAG game mechanic, the natural go-to is another version of KAG that contains the game mechanics being described. Whether or not they're the same game or not is not relevant in that context.

So, now that we've got that behind us, back on the subject of the game balance thingie we were talking about.

When an issue like this one, which has been brought up in various forms incessantly for what seems like years, I think its fair to say that reasonably large group of people feels there's something wrong with game balance, but not much consensus on what to do about it.

Obviously, there's also a large group that loves the status quo, and is afraid that tweaks like these will screw things up for them and their playstyle.

Given this state of affairs, we've got 2 obvious choices.

1. We can do nothing with game balance, leaving it as is. This will undoubtedly cause the status quo group to be satisfied, and the pro-tweaking group to continue to be dissatisfied.
2. We could try tweaking, possibly causing any number of outcomes.

• Maybe it will turn out the status quo crowd is right, and the tweaking was a bad move. If so, we can always go back to how it is today; it would be totally easy to revert something like bomb damage or knight health at any time; no harm done.
• Maybe the tweaks upset the status quo crowd, but not the tweak crowd. If it comes to that, THD can gauge customer sentiment at that time and decide who there's more of, and either revert it not, based on that.
• Maybe we stumble on an awesome game balance that the tweak crowd was hoping for, and upon seeing and playing it, even the status quo people are convinced, and there is widespread agreement that its better now. That would be a fine day, indeed.

These are really about the only possible outcomes I can foresee, and lets face it, are any of them really any worse off than we are now, with all this disagreement and vitriol? We can always change it back, so there's nothing to lose.

It's common to be complacent and stick with what you have, rather than strike out into the unknown. Its much easier, much more comfortable, but it also assures that there will be no progress, good or bad. I'm just suggesting that we give tweaking a chance in hopes of finding something we ALL love; its worth it.

 

@hierbo, I was wondering: Do you even play the game?

 

I was wondering have you played classic(ive seen hierbo ingame several times also)

 

Yeah, I used to play a hell of a lot, and I still play some classic and normal KAG fairly often. I also host several release KAG servers.

Come on by some time!

 

Question, can we easily access prior versions of the game easily, never really heard.

 

Thanks for the response man! I was actually going to work on a balance/tweak mod as I do have programming experience under my belt so it shouldn't be very tough, guess I will now when I get the time. I didn't realize this post would get so out of hand, but it was nice to see others opinions on it.

 

Yeah, I'm always game to host and help with balance mods, but I only know enough programming to ask where the bathroom is.

Unfortunately, though there's still the un-addressed issue that modded servers seldom get any visitors, if ever, due to the general distrust or general lack of interest in mods.

There's a few exceptions, like Gather and Shiprekt, but aside from those, who get traffic due to tons of publicity, it will be an uphill climb. I'll put up the server if I can get help getting the word out.

 

What is Gather again?

 

I had a long rant about modded servers ready to post this morning and went to eat and when i came back wife had closed my browser and it didnt save a draft T.T

You summed up nicely enough my thoughts on the matter.