Devlog Build 1500

I'm pretty sure they work fine against stone walls and such, do they not? That's their only real use at this point.

 

Yeah, it was always devastating vs towers but NOBODY used it. It could literally end games better than keg-catas could. Kinda stupid, really.

 

Sorry but ive spend like 6 secs during the match with the risk of getting killed only to find where my ping was.


Where is that star you'd mentioned, @Geti ?

 

Perhaps having a catapult also work as a shop so you can buy wood/stone/bombs/boulders in that instantly load it into the catapult and in actuality it's not actually a boulder at all, but does more, wider damage than what the current, regular boulder does. Same for bombs, etc so that if any item gets nerfed and it actually fucks over the catapult as well, there'd be an option for fixing that.

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If I recall it'll be in/around the next update they do.

 

RIP archer + boulder in tdm, you took away a very "fun" element away from this game, this "balance fix" costed a bit more fun than I think KAG can spare at the moment.

Jus sayin

 

Sorry, geti. But i don't think because some stupid builders or because a mistake of a good builder (because he had placed wrong a trapblock,etc or he was killed when making it) should be a reason to change how a mechanic of a block works.

Spoiler: Explanation and long toughts :S

If you play as RED, bad placed BLUE trapblocks -or blue trapblocks that remains from a broken old trap late in the round- can be useful as you can pass through while BLUE cant. Many times my team can get advantage of rushing through a tunel made in an enemy trap because you can quickly avoid the enemy hiding or going through that path.
If you make trapdoors as doors, that strategy wont happen and will make gameplay just "plainer?"( simpler but in a bad way).
But i don't complain about this in particular. I am worried cause i think you and kag team -with good intention- are obeying people's change demands just because their reasons are
1)that some features dull or delay the "linear" playthrough (rush, kill, win)
or 2) 'cause noobs exists (i.e. noob unuseful builders).
For 2) my answer is noobs will always exsists, some never will change and some of they will. Being in a good team its matter of luck (that's valid for youself too, because some days you just can play like shit :P ).

For 1) i have more deep toughts, that arent only about this game, but all the few games i've played with multiplayer in my life. I had never took the time to post it anywhere, so:
For the games i've most remeber like counter-strike 1.6 and Mount&BladeWarband - I had always found two kind of players: Those who only want to play something over and over and over, getting fun on "skill playing", i think. This is: playing de_aztec 90% of the time in all the servers, and play just for aim, kill and avoid get killed. In M&B playing "arena" map over and over, disputing who's more skilled with the sword and hand to hand OVER AND OVER.
And the second kind of player, wich really enjoy to exploit the game cababilities, be creative, searching for those features that are completely impredictable (That's why i find amazing the TR demo, it's really simple but some weird shit can happen :D )
Im in the second group. Sincerely i cant enjoy TDM. I feel i get no award between matches , so i dont really care what will you change with that mode.
Though i think myself as in the 2º group, many times i play just straight forward, rushing, etc. But are those small shitty strategies that can go wrong, of course, that make those good memorable moments in KAG. Getting yourself into a crate and infiltrate :,( ; being killed and drop a mine that blow up your enemy; grabing a bomb in mid air and send it back to its owner ; defending your hall with a mounted bow :( , just to name a few ... Some of those are still in the game, some doesnt.

My point is, if you privilege the straight gameplay in CTF and Halls, in the long run, it will only make the game grey and insipid for people who, like me, enjoy to be creative and in the meantime kill some gals and steal flags.

Returning to the original quote, i think in three options for the new trapblock:
1- Not changing the trapblock at all (easier one)
2- Making possible to get over by one way only (like Classic Bridge)
3- Adding a new trapblock besides the actual one. As it will work as some kind of door, it should be more expensive than the "vainilla" one. (I would love this option most 'cause had been a long time since you've added new stuff-not talknig about tweaking or fixing)

I know the translation issue make even more difficult to understand what ive tried to state. Hope you know ive said so with all the love i have for KAG since the begining of it :)

 

ie trap block is now pointless? Please don't make this change!

 

Actually I've been saying for a long time that the main reason I stopped playing is that the wacky 'fun' elements are leaving faster than glacial ice. Rather than remove things like archer+boulders, I prefer it when even more unbalanced things are added. Knights with drills, archers with boulder, heck give builders/archers keg activation abilities, things like that. It's why I think my last favorite build was 1215 or so. I never wanted these balance changes, I just wanted bugs fixed :(

 

Geti I have a sinus headache can you fix that for me? It hurts and my nose is all runny and all these bodily fluids are leaking from my nasal orifices and stuff. I mean it's so bad I can't breath. Like it only happened after you released this update too. I went on a trip to Cali and I read that you updated this and the next day all my sinuses and allergies go to shit.

It must be the pollen from your new home in not aussieland? Damn your poisonous pollen that kills everything. Australia is full of poison and Chobani. Fucking Chobani ruiner of everything. If I had to say anything it would be that I have not played KAG but my deeply ingrained prejudice for Chobani and my sinus pains automatically means that whatever menstrual cycle men get I'm on. So thanks a lot Geti because of you working and stuff I now have the pollen equivalent of PMS except through my nose. This is what happens when you eat Chobani Geti.

Also this build sounds good but I'd like it if we can have dinosaur mods as advertised. We can name him Getiosaurus Rex and he can be a herbivore that eats tofu burgers. The whole entire single player campaign can revolve around trying to capture and tame Getiosaurus Rex. You can make it into a dating sim and then have a bunch of MMs being the bad guy and cockblocking the player into not getting that fine Getiosaurus tail. You wouldn't even have to animate it I could just get a shitty picture of a long necked giraffe dinosaur thing with four legs and then cut and paste your hair on it like a toupee. Then we can have the fakerolling.as file to it and then it would be complete and the best dating sim ever. We can go on hummus runs and ride into the allergy sunset with pollen and stuff. So fuck Chobani and let's have a game of date the Getiosaurus and make love over a bed of tofu and hummus. Candle lit dinner Holmes with the kombucha and the tea. Man Geti and all his health vegetarian foods. Also Geti do you drink wine?

 

Okay, there is a big difference inherently from classic trap bridges and the trap blocks we've had for a long time in current kag.

Classic trap bridges were linked horizontally. A long unbroken line of them could be turned inert when an enemy stepped on them, leading to any allies on the bridge being dumped below. This made them a great tool for preventing enemies from crossing, but a double edged sword because someone who knew what they were doing could turn your team's bridges against you.
Additionally, enemies could slash and break team bridges, or just slash them once to make them passable for the rest of their team without them collapsing.
Finally, a player could press down to drop through a team bridge, something that did not exist with current kag trap blocks until very recently.

Now, trap blocks have their own uses as well. They were not linked, so an enemy can't use them offensively against your team by turning a whole row of them inert.
However, trap blocks also could not be fallen through by allies, so they basically ended up being free stone doors for the enemy. Terrible.
Additionally, trap blocks are made from stone which is hard to get and finite, while team bridges were made from wood which is unlimited.
The best part about trap blocks though is they are damn near indestructible, giving your team a reliable bridge enemies can't collapse on you nor can they simply slash and destroy or slash and make passable for themselves!

But hell, let's talk about wooden bridges as they exist in current KAG too.
Wooden bridges block characters and projectiles from passing through in one direction, and allow travel through the other three directions.
They can be rotated.
When placed normally, they can not be fallen through by pressing down.


I think trap blocks, team bridges, and rotatable bridges all have their place. They should all be in the current iteration of KAG. Bring back the way trap blocks used to function a few builds back, bring back team bridges exactly as they worked in classic, while also keeping rotatable wooden bridges. Trap blocks are great if you need a long bridge enemies always fall through. Team bridges are great if you need something quick and cheap to put up to get across a chasm while still being able to drop through and still letting enemies fall through.

Seriously, just bring them back. We miss them. They were great.

 

You hate Hospi since he reked u multiple times on aus :P

Still the boulders are very well balanced now.

I still see the trao blocks as doors leaning to the trouble causing side.

 

Yes pls, so much yes pls.

Miss trap bridges so much...also gives me something relatively useful to use excess wood on.

 

i think id made a mistake comparing to the "classic trapblock" . I meant one rotable trap block that can only be door-like for allies only through one direction to another, so it still must be right placed-. This would help for those moments when you or an ally fell into a team trap, pushing the builder to break a part of it to rescue the traped mate.

 

I'm so torn right now, for one I think that the new trap blocks will help but in another light it will do harm.

Pro+
- can kill camping enemy's in your own trap that was disarmed

Con-
-Will fall into own trap and be "trapped"
-can't hide under enemy's trap blocks now
-no longer build those mid air bridges that enemy's can't cross over

 

Good good, now the "Trap Bridge" sprite.