Devlog KAG KAG Build 1712 – Hotfix(es) and Accumulated Changes

When you want to be like your master Fuzzl' and want to spam mines from a tower but Gatu ruins your dreams and u want to hopelessly find a good exploit using some shitty trampolines

--- Double Post Merged, Dec 26, 2015, Original Post Date: Dec 26, 2015 ---

And Geti, how do i swap back the coin management back for my mod? there's no full changelog for this update

@down:
K, Thx for telling me

 

It's Monday... Waiting on this priority fix of yours Geti. Anyway the mine deploy time is way to long, so I just messed around on a sandbox server with tanks and got them working on my singleplayer sandbox. (Eat that shitty internet!) So yay fun tanks to mess with.

 

so there are no official US servers and 0 players online after updating. Can anyone confirm this?

 

thanks lastest update fixed my problem with resolution

 

Good work on the update guys once again guys
Just a quick question how long were the mines deployment time increased by? 0.5 seconds ?

 

from what i see about 3x
@edit: it's 4,5 second now

 

The new update did not fix my problem so... maybe I wait for next update :c

 

@Teodor1 : https://forum.thd.vg/threads/kag-build-1714-resolution-fixes.24849/#post-370134

 

changelog? where?
code say const u8 PRIMING_TIME = 90;
i assume 90 is ticks
1 tick = 0,05 seconds
90 * 0,05 = 4,5

@down: ok sry i must have mistaken it with minecraft lel

 

Nein, KAG is 30 tps not 20

 

I've played for a while on this set of updates to really get a feel for them. So, here goes...

My two cents:

The Coin Payout Update:
I'm really mixed about this though still somewhat against it (or at least at how severe it has been). While lowering the coin value to not grant overkill bonus coins has definitely reduced the spamming of bombs/other items and nerfed the hell out of some mega players, it has also had some noticeable side effects on the general game.

1. Newbie archers/knights have almost no coins now (not that they ever had much to begin with but still it wasn't that bad before as far as I can tell).
2. Builders are OP as hell now as far as gathering coins goes. [ex: It took me 11 kills with no deaths as knight to reach roughly 178 coins. That took me quite a while and if I had died, I would have lost 30% of my coins. In contrast, I can go builder and use my mystical wood farm to get 500+ wood and spam wooden platforms for 4 coins a pop during battle times. Takes me roughly 20-30 seconds. I now have 120-ish coins. Ta-Da.] So why would I go fight and risk 30% of my coins as a knight if I was trying to buy something big? I wouldn't. I would go builder and get me some quick cash while avoiding most of the risks.
3. The balance of power has really shifted greatly in favor to builders who can build properly. The money you get from building is ridiculous in comparison to everything else now and if you can do it well, you basically get hundreds of coins in a very short amount of time. And if the builder is smart on top of it, God help you. It will rain bomb bolts and kegs from the sky and you will have almost no way to fight back. I'm not saying it's impossible to win, but it certainly has set the bar a lot higher.

Tl;dr - Needs more balancing.

The Mine Deploy Time Update:
I feel like this was overshot by a lot. Before the mines were basically insta-deploy, now they deploy in a whopping 3-4 seconds. I just feel it's a bit much. Maybe 2-2.5 seconds would be more reasonable but I have no clue. Also, archers rape mines. Literally rape them. With arrows. Unless I have my mine underground or inside my building (which will cause damage) there really is little to no point in having mines out in "strategic" locations if a decent archer is playing on the other team. The archer is just going to shoot them away. ______ _________ ________
While I do like the current direction mines are heading towards, I feel they still need a bit more polishing.

The Arrow Collision Update:
....Meh. JiffIez thrives in chaos. [JiffIez_Stamp_of_Approval.jpg]. In all seriousness though, it did raise the dodging skill cap on archer vs. archer combat and made large scale battles slightly more chaotic, but I think that's about it. I'm really not sure why some people are going nuts about this one.
Good overall.


If there was anything else that was majorly overhauled, I haven't really noticed it. See you in game.

 

It seems to me that coin flow was generally very acceptable pre-patch, and thus if people are now earning less coins (through somewhat indirect means) then the simple fix would be to increase the amount of coins earned per kill/heart, while keeping the removal of "overkill" earning (most would also agree that this was kinda bad too). It was a small oversight and one that will hopefully be quickly resolved.

Additionally I respect the direction that mines are going in. People are upset because they're no longer very useful in combat. That's kinda the point though. The dev's want them to fulfill a different niche, one not in combat, as Geti said...

Stop complaining that something is bad or under powered when you're trying to use it in a way that it is not intended to be used. A screwdriver would be an incredibly bad tool if I was trying to hammer in a nail.

The only change that matters to me. _

 

I never complained that mines were bad, I complained that they weren't fun.

 

I should say that the mine nerfing it's ok , but i disagree. Althrough i think that the shielding thing was a necessary implement (because the community asked for it), in the other hand the very long time the mine to deploy is ridiculous long.
Please, reconsider that, because while it was cheap to kill a bunch of ppl with just one mine (youve already fixed it enabling the shielding+distance!) the momentum to grab an enemy mine was just the adequate one! even with lag you could manage to grab one in the air.
So... why making the mines so obnoxious to use now? You practically can't drop a mine in open field when enemies are in short/med range.
I hope it's not just me :(

Btw: please, dont tell me that now it has "strategical" use, since you have to drop it a time before in a point without enemies to work, because that theory crumbles down with the fact that mine-stealers noobs exists. And thereare a LOT of them. -Edit
Also, i must add @JiffIez opinion:

--- Double Post Merged, Dec 29, 2015, Original Post Date: Dec 29, 2015 ---

I didnt read the comments when i wrote my post, so what ive said is quite redundant, but ive pointed a counter-argument above. Also, mines are quite one of the most balanced (between clases) weapons to use imo. Everyone can buy em; deploy em; breaking them (shielding in the case of knight)

 

When exactly was this?