Official KAG Servers

ya but managed to get rid of the goods ones like 8x and jiggy :(

 

can you please update fbb's original post with list of current admins then?

 

They left or were inactive.

 

People should have the right to offend people. If someone says, "that's offensive don't say it", where does taking offensive fall into the matter? I could simply take offense to your saying hello to me, since in my mind it is offensive to myself.

And yes, online bullyingn etc should be stopped, but seriously, what dask should not entail a mute.

Quite simply, is it fair that an admin can mute a player for basically swearing, but the normal player has to put up with something similar happening to them? Nope.

Once I got to my computer later today, I'll attach a quote a previous admin once said to me, that I think sums it up perfectly.

 

Being offended=/=trying to silence someone.

It does but only needed ones(for instance your freedom of speech cannot endanger someone else).

Telling an admin to go fuck his mother is hardly a threat(at best it is a rude suggestion). All these things are illegal here as well(again this shit has nothing to do with what we are talking about).

Um....fuck your feeling(when you are trying to silence people). Admins can feel bad just like the leader of turkey can, it only becomes a problem when you want to arrest journalists who advocate against authoritarianism or, in a much much lesser sense, when you mute someone for hurting your feefees)

Then it becomes more offensive? What does this have to do with anything it still isnt an excuse to silence someone(in this situation social pressure against the asshole works really well).

"in check" like where, in public? How is being loose with vulgarity in an online game(with kid-fucking-safe) a bad thing? Also would you prefer if he said "hump" since it isnt a swear word?

Offended people can use social pressure against you or hit the magic ignore button. Someone feeling harassed/bullied does not make them harassed/bullied.

Yes in a terrible place like Saudia Arabia "free" speech could have some severe consequences. However, in the first world, and in an online game we played to play, we shouldnt be punished for letting loose some vulgarity or offensive speech(unless it goes too far ofc, sadly everyone has their own version of too far though). Also the semi=threats arent exactly all that scary(partially because youre an ocean away) and im not one to cower to the "YOURE NOT MAN ENOUGH TO SAY THAT IN REAL LIFE" bs. If you think words give you the right to put your hands on someone then i think you are the actual shitty person.

Links about bullying: that shit has nothing to do with what is happening in this 2d game man. Generally speaking internet abuse is considered less harmful because of the ability to block out your harassers.


Also generally speaking about bullied victims killing themself: Obvious a terrible situation but those people generally have more issues than just told to go fuck their mother. I hate it when people conflate real trauma with mean words, almost as bad as when people blame school shooting on toxic masculinity(instead of the actual triggers like harassment, physical assaults, abusive parents, lack of mental healthcare ect).

That isnt quite fair. I ignored all the hearsay bs because i couldnt decide what really happened and focused on the real issue. I brought up my issue with the mute because i could easily see myself in the same situation and did not want to be treated that way.

Ok i blame you and request that you educate your admin on muting rules. Or at the very least allow us to know what the rules are if they changed.

 

auburn is active?
cameron1010 is active?
joiken is active?
link6155 is active?
sir_walter is active?
titmau5 is active?
solaris is active?

all the other people who log in once every 30 days just to still be admin are considered "active"?

 

Lol. So that person who swore at me is not a shitty person? It might be a shitty move but at least I get to destroy that person's guts. Ahahahaha. Also fuck your feelings too.

 

I hope you know that the API is not considered the end all be all in terms of determining activity right? just played 3 games yesterday and it says I haven't played for almost a month.
lot of the official admins are also college bound so you gotta cut some slack there.

unless there needs to be some major culling again for inactivity (which i doubt since most of us announce when we have leaves for college / schooling / etc), we've gone from ~70 admins last round to now 42. seems good enough for me unless @Furai feels like reopening the applications.

 

Who cares about inactive admins? It only really matters about the ones who are active and are abusing.

 

That is completely the wrong attitude for an admin.
"Atleast I get to destroy the person's guts."
Like seriously, how is that a good attitude. You are put into a position of power to make the sever better/safer etc, but instead, you are basically saying that I can punish whoever I don't like?

 

Lol ehra. As I said, id prob do that irl not in kag. Where did I say I can punish whoever I dont like?
Lol, now you are complaining about what I said where is my freedom of speech? See now I am getting a reaction from what I said which is my point: that you can have freedom of speech but if say something rude or negative, then dont expect it to have no consequences or reaction. Others may not react at all, but others may react.

Also now you want safer and better server then be nice and not be rude. Then if you get muted for saying something rude then you'll complain then at the same time demanding a safer and better server. A bit of irony eh?

 

Yo. Thanks for correcting me.
Yes I admit this is hard to resolve. But all I am for is for everyone (admins and players) to be nice. Yes, everyone is different, will have different attitude, and will react differently.

When I am admining, I dont silence people unless it gets to a point that it constitutes verbal harrasment especially to players who let me know how they feel. As much as possible I would assess the situation (as this is case to case basis), hand out appropriate warnings then if after reasonable steps to stop the rudeness then I will finally apply a mute.


And this is my point, if you are being rude and disrespectful towards other people (player or admin) then you may get muted because you are basically abusing your Freedom of Speech.
Just like you are free to do anything right now but if you break the law then you loose that freedom (you go to jail).

 

But the thing is, things such as no swearing are Rules not Laws. There's a difference.

Freedom of Speech as an actual human right. Someone (disregarding things in Israel etc) should be able to both say/offend whoever they like (within reason, concerning death threats etc.) Yes a person can take offence to what was said, and can argue, get annoyed, reply or whatever, but no actual action should be taken against said action (ie. in daskews case).

What I'm also trying to point out here, is the fact that an admin should not have control over muting a player because of a personal reason (primarily at taking offence). Simply, if offended, just hit the ignore button. Problem solved. Don't use your power to server wide mute them. Because that just highlights inequality (if an admin can mute for personal reasons, why can't a player?).

I'm happy to debate this in a pm with whoever if it seems that its clogging up the thread.

 

Earlier when you said you would punch someone in the guts who said mean words to you. That doesnt necessarily speak to your online behavior, but it could.

Yes, that is called social pressure. It is very different from a mute because no one is literally silencing you. For instance, Colin kaepernick, in the states, sat down during the pledge to protest police killings of ethnic people and people responded negatively. That is different from him literally being silenced or forced to stand by the league. People reacting negatively in power, with their power, to things they dont like are obviously much much worse than an average player/citizen saying something.

Will you make Kag great again for me cinc? Im pretty sure the rules are in place to do just that but they have nothing to do with muting for being mean to an admin. If i wanted a "safer" server from some rude asshole id used the feature of ignore. I would never demand an asshole be muting for trying to annoy me.

The level is the part we are discussing. For instance, you shouldnt be attacking someone for racial, sexual, or other identifying reasons. Those are targeted and specifically discriminatory. If gunslinger's mother had just died, and daskew knew about it, and he continued the abuse then it could very well delve into the realm of harassment and bullying(fyi the supposed victim isnt harassed just because they say they were harassed).

Tone-policing doesnt happen in just and free societies. I believe, for instance, that denying the holocaust should not get you silenced. I disagree with the bigotry from the majority of denialists, but i feel like they have a right to "question" or express their opinion that a specific genocide didnt happen.

Not true, in the US you can be silenced in a courtroom if the judge wants to speak. That is more for being disorderly though and i understand the purpose of it, but disagree because of how much power it gives the judge.

Spoiler: appropriate response

go fuck your mother

Spoiler: "respectful" response

I can't, i need have this ocd thing about needing to correct wrong things.

 

In my humble opinion admins should only mute someone offending them when there is consistent personal abuse sent their way that begins to undermine their authority.

Guys freedom of speech is just basically where via your own mediums you are allowed to say (almost) anything you want (depending on your country) and the government won't perform legal action upon you.

On THD this is their medium. This entire forum and their game etc is THEIR SPEECH. lol Think of us all as agents they are allowing to speak on their medium.

However this doesn't mean that THD are not heavily incentivised to allow a certain level of freedom for people speaking. Because it's nice for players to do this and if it's nice for players there will presumably be more sales of the game. So THD will have a policy that allows a certain level of speech. But they can do whatever they want to quash whatever speech they want to. I would imagine anything that is bad for their business will be quashed. For example forum threads going off topic all the time would be bad for their business. This is why we have a litany of pedantic admins - they actually keep things rational in the forums.

Since human beings and aren't perfect. There is an ongoing and real threat that some official admins will overstep their bounds and start using their position to service only themselves (kicking players for revenge, muting them for a laugh, banning them for a grudge etc). I think when this happens people should at least complain occassionally about it so that bad admins are weeded out and good ones remain.

 

lol everybody chill