Archer changes general

OMGOMG, RNG has been removed from non-Legolas shots!

Also, all classes can now climb arrows.

Also also, stomp doesn't hurt/stun the stomper.

http://devlog.kag2d.com/post/67649727875/build-947-fixes-and-improvements

Sorry guys, too excited to wait for a topic in the Announcements section.

 

I like the look of those changes. Letting any class arrow-climb is a nice touch, but what I'm most glad about is the removal of the RNG from regular shots. Thank goodness for that.

Actually, thank the devs for listening.

 

I can help test and all that maduhiggy! If needed

 

Maybe make fire arrows stuck up to 30, so you can use them as better ammo for more cost

 

I'd personally would like it if water arrows came in packs of 3, and did not stun yourself when shot close-range. I'd like to be able to stun a knight close to me and pass him by, but its almost impossible currently.

Otherwise fire arrows are perfect, and bomb arrow is good if fired precisely. I think buffing close-range arrow damage to 1.5 hearts is a good idea though.

 

Yeah because water arrows really need a buff! hurrhfhfhh

 

Hum yeah I actually mean what I wrote . You think water arrows are already good enough? I never use them personally, mostly because I always mess up with them and they don't do anything. Money down the gutter. If I had at least one more, and was less risky to backfire, they'd be worthwhile imo.
Care to explain your sarcasm?

 

Knights can stun with water bombs. Knights can slash or cook bombs to kill at a distance, plus shield to approach archers without an issue. Knights are the only ones that can use Kegs and also have bombs.

The issue is simple: Archers are simply out classed in everything except for Bomb Arrows. Fire Arrows are easy to ignore because a good builder won't build a wooden hut.

 

Archers are currently a lot better than they used to be and entirely playable right now, though I haven't played TDM in a few weeks so I don't know how good or bad they are in that, they work fine in CTF and TTH, for me.

Currently the only change I could kinda wish for is that the stomp would be more effective for archer instead of Knight...I was very disappointed in how they added that in but it added to KNIGHT gameplay more than anything...again!

The only other issue I have right now is the fact that archer is in fact the hardest class to get good at, but very good when you do finally get good at it. Which is all fine, except the fact that the Knight's highest level of possible skill is still way over any other class's highest level possible of skill...

 

Essentially water arrows are pretty useless except in certain rare occasions. Only 10% of the time you stun a knight will ANOTHER player get the kill, netting you zero profit. Stunning a knight only allows you to retreat, which you can do anyway with your grappling hook. Plus, its much more effective to just fireproof your base than to use up a slot in your inventory for your 2 dingy water bottle arrows.

You say don't go up close

But the game encourages you to get up close to bypass an knight's shield using legolas shot. If I get swarmed, I don't want to stun MYSELF with a shitty arrow backfire when I just want to survive.

 

Current Archer:

+Helps team with bomb arrows ( pocket ballista ), fire arrows
+Helps indivdiuals with water arrows, arrow climbing ( just backed up ked for a whole game as me archer him knight, we destoryed )
+legolas shot makes 1v1ing knights easy in certain situations
+grapple hook is extremely good

-2 hp can get one hit, maybe buff to 2.5? ( if thats even possible )
-Can't do squat without team (2.5 hp buff would help this )
-doesn't receive credit for team helping
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If archer could get a buff on one thing, it would be this. Archer is a great support class atm. However they get no credit for doing things that benefit the team. They are not that great at killing so money farming is hard, however if one were to receive gold for burning wood, blowing holes in bases, destroying shops, assisting knights with water. This problem would be solved and archer could finally be the Support class he is meant to be.

 

It's a good idea except for one thing.

It does nothing for TTH. Coins don't exist in the game mode so Archer's problems still exist.

 

THH, has free arrows. Therefore problem doesn't exist?

 

I think so too! I should be rewarded for doing what the archer is good at, that is, destroying key things. Its very hard to get kills as archer, thus, its very hard to get coins.

In order of importance, from least to most coins reward (wood being less than stone) : destroying enemy blocks, doors, shops, catapults, ballistas, longboats and warships. Also get a bit of coin if you stun a knight and he gets killed by teammate.

I think the devs should seriously consider this suggestion. +1

--- Double Post Merged, Dec 6, 2013, Original Post Date: Dec 6, 2013 ---

True dat. Infinite bomb arrows FTW.

 

However along with this, i seriously think bomb arrows should cost more, Now even though i dont play archer much i can always get 1 bomb arrow per life. If a proper reward system was added, id be pulling 2 bomb arrows easy, granted not all archers might be as good as i am ( not that great but decent ). A team full of archers using 1-2 bomb arrows on spawn would be ridiculously op.