ReBalance mod discussion

If you want to keg drop from your tower, it's still possible, you just need to time the fuse to do it. This makes it much more preventable, but with good building I could see it being easy to pull off still. At least give it a try, I'll be organizing a test match after we get some more feedback on the current list of changes.

 

Remember Rayne doesn't care about competitive. The point of this mod is to help the community grow by making it more enjoyable all around. Kegs cause a lot of stale mates when dropped from the top of a tower to stop a huge would be victory charge. The problem is not using them offensively but defensively. Unfortunately making them less effective for defense means less effective for offensive. However remember the change suggested; Kegs do not explode when falling from a high distance. This does not prevent you from dropping a keg during bomb jump it just means you have to time it correctly potentially having to light the keg right before you depart.

 

Make it logs, there are always too many logs sitting around being annoying.

Everything on that list is amazing, but I think bomb arrows should be 35 or 40 coins, it would get kinda spammy. Also it might be funny for arrows to convert to bomb arrows midair if they collide with a bomb.

No, keg drops are easy and devastating in pubs. They'd still be possible after the changes, you'd just have to time it.

I do agree with you on them being too hard to carry though, I think it should be reverted back to when you'd have to kill the carrier to make them drop it. The only problem with that was that you'd often kill the keg before the person, causing instant detonation. That could be fixed by making kegs only take 1/4 or some other fraction of damage when being carried. If that would make suicide kegging too strong, then fire/bomb arrow interaction with carried kegs causing premature detonation might fix it.

 

That's pure gold.

Bucket, I still think all those badass moments are possible with kegs, it just means you have to be more intentional with your timing, if you mess it up you blow-up your base instead of just dropping it and blowing everyone up, you have to time it correctly. The purpose is to prevent one keg from being the end of a glorious charge. It gives the charge a better chance at survival. You can still dispatch them, it just takes more skill to use it defensively.

 

Pubs can't catch kegs. Even competitive players have trouble catching kegs. The whole idea here is that we remove the things that are frustrating in pub matches.

 

NB: started writing this post Sat, but got called away before could post.

Initial changes seem good. Wonderful to have you back and tinkering with things, Rayne; where you been these months past?

re:

1) Bomb arrows deal 3 hearts of damage on a player.
>No. Getting 1HKO out of nowhere is completely BS and, while it generates some keks for the archer, is pretty much the epitome of unfun IMHO.

2) Builders break blocks faster
>FUCK YES PLEASE. I long for the days of yore when having a builder get close+personal with your fortifications was a cause for panic; rather than the "oh bother; now I have to waste some time squashing this pest before I can get back to the real game" that is engendered these days. For too long builder has been viewed almost entirely along defence/support lines and this, IMconsideredO, has actually led to increased stalemates & general campiness.

Spoiler: addendum

>Ofc, there's a fine line between "builders break blocks faster" and "lol wht r blocks?", but testingtestingtesting.
>re: tunneling concerns: Yes, it could be an issue; but let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater. Consider giving a flat increase the breaking speed of both natural tiles & placed blocks and, if tunneling is an issue (but breaking blocks feels good), consider slowly decreasing natural tile destruction bit by bit and see if there isn't a happy medium between current speeds (which are torridly slow) and "MOFG IS SO BAIDE! BILDER @ OP!"

3) Kegs exploding on impact when launched from a catapult (while lit ofc).
>Yes. Giving people more reasons to get a catapult up close/personal is good, IMHO.

Spoiler: Bombarrows act like shaped charges

> i.e. use whatever function necessary to determine whether the arrow is travelling primarily along the x or y axis and have the explosion act along those lines
> e.g.
Current result when you put a bomb in a gap:

Proposed result when you put a bomb arrow into that same gap:


Basically, it'd give bomb arrows a different feel/utility as compared to normal bombs. You'll note that overall they put out less destructive power, but the shaped nature of the explosion means they'd often do more when used effectively.

(Despite the pretty graphics I'm not strongly attached to this idea; just wanted to suggest another angle, rather than more same-same. I wrote the above section on Sat, before bomb satchels were a thing; so it's probable they and the bomb-like bombarrows are preferable to this. Anyway. Just posting in case it's actually interesting).

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re: expended list of changes make here
>In general, all looks good.

>re: builders digging, I do feel that rymcd makes a reasonable point:

Spoiler: rymcd

so it might be worth trying out faster hits to natural tiles and seeing if it's good/bad/ugly before discounting the idea entirely.

Oh, re: archers being able to dig:

Spoiler: you want this. you *know* you do

Plz to make archers ≤ 1 block high when crouching so this is possible?

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Also, I edited in a link to the current "list of proposed changes" into the OP; bc it felt like it was hidden, being buried back on pg. 3

</FBB ramble> :3

 

ask me on irc and ill tell you.

Yeah, we've decided against doing this, to compensate we made fire arrows stronger by adding an extra heart to the damage-over-time.

willing to try it but maps would need to be redesigned with much more bedrock probably, lf> map slave.

I actually like this idea, so i'll tinker with it.

Not possible to change collisions dynamically, so impossible.

thanks, but I had meant to replace the first post with the new list since it's a rewrite not an addition, forgot to.

 

All my tears.

Yet another example of how @Geti is responsible for everything terrible, ever. </3

 

Blame Box2d's way of binding masses being some crazy nonsense (and the way that's linked into crimson being even worse).

You could definitely turn off all collisions and do your own collision logic if you _really_ wanted though.

 

Eh? There's a button specifically tied to water bomb?

 

he means the inventory bomb type selector, if you selected the old water bomb button, it'd allow you to have a shield bash mechanic using spacebar, but it'd replace water bombs and shield-slide stunning.

Btw I've added all the current builder changes, the server will be up in a few minutes for anyone to test it.