ReBalance mod discussion

Verra you said you fixed a lot of bugs with crouching? Are you referring to door and platform bugs?

 

It doesn't add any complex strategies, its main two points are simplifying the game flow with arrows to reduce the tedious trading merchant gameplay and allowing noobs access to special arrows.

You can take other routes for this, but a crafting system alike to this just fits much better to the game's flow.

Fwiw you don't even need to craft your own arrows for a counter, it's just an example i used.

Whatever I'm on mobile so cba to refute all your points since you didn't bother properly reading my posts anyway.

Another way to go about it is to make speeding with the grapple more consistent, buffing Archer normal arrows and giving them more coins. The Archer is only an useful class because of his specials, otherwise you're always better off as a Knight. This is why i wanted to streamline his ability to fire special arrows. Archer would be a useful class 24/7, not a vanity class you pick after you get tired of being a knight or on some niche situation where a tower is barely hanging, but there's a frontline preventing you from bombing it. If you want to make archers a serious class that is actually worth picking over a knight, you'd have to either make their special arrows more prevalent or increase their capabilities with normal arrows. The latter we've tried, and it's awful when the archers are all grouped up.

 

People play for fun, not for blowing stuff up endlessly. They don't need endless specials, or specials at all, it's about the feeling of "oh yeah i just sniped that guy in the ASS!" or "SHOTGUN TO THE FACE"

Wouldn't this confuse people because it's two widely different ways to get specials, and it only applies for archers? Right now it's relatively the same: make a shop, pick what it gives you. Only difference is whether you pay or not.

 

I know. I was saying how currently both versions use shops.

 

No reason you still wouldn't be able to craft the arrows within the shop interface as well. You still buy normal arrows like now anyway.

 

so can a builder still stand behind set of doors and spam a drill while still damaging through the door and NOT DAMAGING THE DOOR!?!?

 

Since archers are getting a ridiculous buff. I think knights should have a little more defense against "CLOSE QUARTERS" arrows, regularly fired arrows would be slashed only with 4-5 tiles within the knights range. Archers have an up close defense against knights already, the shotgun. I don't think that these arrows should be able to be slashed, but only single fired arrows. It takes archers so little time to fire off a charged shot. And arrows already stun. This class has major support roles in the game, up close and personal is not the style of archers. Fire arrows do 3 hearts of damage, Shotgun is 3 hearts of Damage, regular shots are up to 2 hearts. Water bombs stun for entirely too long and charging a shotgun with normal arrows and switching the arrow type without any visible change and firing any arrow of choice. Just ridiculous. None of this even impacts the mobility of archers with their grappling AND the new ability' being able to crawl through 1x1 empty tile holes. Escaping is their forte. toe to toe combat... Should not be.

Proposing here that ONLY single arrows fired within 4-5 blocks of a slash could be cut. This wont affect long distance archer support. Think about how minuscule 5 blocks is, and how far arrows go.

Knights have lost the ability to detonate kegs by slamming them from up high, this raises skill to play knight and use kegs. Bomb jumping has less vertical distance impact, and shield stunning is being planned to be removed. What else do we have. What else.

 

This would actually be a total pain. All it will do is make archer-knight combat even more annoying. It stops archers from timing a follow up shot on stupid knights who get tripled without their shields up, and then mistime a slash at close range. So now knights can screw up twice and still survive. I mean a decent knight will have like no openings at close range, not a small opening, none. The best you could do is a half-shot, but you'll still die anyway.
Also, what ridiculous buff are you talking about? Almost all of the archer changes have been utility based. Crawling through one black holes is not going to affect combat. The only buff I see is fire arrows being stronger, but they cost coins and if they have enough for a fire arrow, you'll have enough for a bomb (not even taking into account coin differences). Archers have water arrows, knights have water bombs. Have regular shots been changed to two hearts? That hasn't been mentioned. If they have your change may be more justified. (Well more justified, but two hearts for a normal arrow is horribly broken).

The keg dropping thing is to stop spam and has nothing to do with slashing an archer right in front of you. Same with the bomb jumps.
Shield stunning is actually a factor, though I don't think this is the right way to buff knights.

If this change does go ahead, I would prefer only half-shots being slashed. It's your own fault if you get hit by a fully charged shot tbh.

 

Being able to slash shotgun arrows just creates bs situations for both parties due to lag. Non-charged shots can be slashable if you ask me, but a single charged shot should not. Firing at a fighting melee group is impossible then.

 

I'm in the mumble with the mod Dev a lot, Archers will be getting a 2 heart shot yes, the only reason I posted it is because he told me to. I don't know why he hasn't mentioned anything about full charged shots being upped to two hearts. Either way time it takes out pull out a slash after being stunned is an issue with the Archer's up close stun being at a 3/4 charged shot they are the same, either way. Archers should NOT BE up close. They're getting buffed for all utility, sure. More fire arrow damage, longer running around helpless, One shot builders. More regular damage arrows, utility balance my ass. You say it's utility, but it's not JUST utility. Why give them both? Money isn't an issue for archers and their regular arrows they get free arrows from hitting trees in the mod now with their "spacebar." Also every 30 seconds FREE arrows are dispensed at the tent, and archers sniping archers all over killing one another in one shot, arrows will litter the towers and battlefield. 15 coins for 2 fire arrows, 25 coins for 1 bomb. Archers also have bombs too, which the price of them will be dropping due to their different functionality. (Rayne you needa update sirrrr.)

Give knights satchels, and the ability to throw their sword, let them break through stone with jabs, "CUZ UTILITY."

Give knights one more defense up close. Archers should be farther away than people think they should. A stunning arrows is already FURTHER than 5 damn tiles, being that close should not be taken so lightly. But it is. And now they have more, and knights have less.

Slashing arrows at 5 blocks sounds like hell for archers who don't play archers for what they're meant for. Long range support and close range escape, zipping through the battlefield and grappling through trees and bombing towers from long distances... etc.

They ALWAYS do 2 hearts of damage even when a knight is shielding up close. 3 when they're hit while trying to slash.(Shotgun arrows shouldn't be damaged by slashing, it's archer's true defense at close quarters combat.) And fully charged single shot arrows doing 2 hearts at any range will just be absolute fucking nonsense. Archers already get their kills on knights who are fighting other knights 70% of the time, by staying back and just firing shotguns/full charged arrows. Even more kills will come from this change.

 

Why should an Archer be 1v1ing a knight up close? Thought its admirable, I dont think an Archer V Knight situation should be balanced but a bit more in favor of the knight. As of now an Archer can mindlessly kite around the knight and wear them down, Now you're adding damage buffs which will just put it in more favor of the archer. I think the other mechanics for the archer are cool but my opinion on the archer 2 heart shot is just a bad idea. I can live with the fire arrow doing 3 hearts of damage but other than that-

This would work well too, even though the idea of a 2 heart arrow shot sounds pretty damn bad.

 

hey maybe remove water bombs thanks

 

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