Devlog KAG KAG Build 1712 – Hotfix(es) and Accumulated Changes

I see where you're coming from, but the problem with that is that you only have so many coins to spend before the round starts, which usually ends up with everyone buying bombs > mines. Also, there's really only so many bushes on the map to hide mines before they get destroyed, so after they do get destroyed you either have to hope someone is blind to your mines or forced to throw them in battle, as opposed to sneakily hiding them. And I think people want to use their mines as soon as they can because players tend to pick them up.

I think the idea of placing mines before battle sounds cool on paper, but it really limits how players should play the game where as before you could use mines in a sneaky manner or just chuck them into battle. I don't think it's a good idea to force the mechanic onto the player in that way where you can only use mines in the sneaky way. Obviously it's still possible to place mines in battle, but atm the current build really puts a cap on it making it super hard to do so.
Not saying that the previous mines where 100% perfect either.
kutgw tho
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also, maybe instead of mines being an instant kill, why don't they just give 3 hearts damage and 1 heart splash damage? Maybe you guys have already considered this, but it could balance things nicely, especially since it would give kegs their no.1 spot back in terms of how much damage they deal -could balance the hierarchy of weapon damage nicely, I don't know. It would put a bigger emphasis on groups of mines while having 1 mine still be moderately effective on it's own. Maybe even dick around with it and have it only deal 2 hearts, just throwing ideas out there.

 

my vote is that changing the coin system was lame. I never thought it was bad, but now I do. Takes forever to get enough coins to do anything with, it doesn't make the game more fun, just slower and more frustrating. bomb spamming can be exciting! and I thought mines used to be a lot of fun, now there back to being lame and something to be mostly forgotten. Also, why why why reck our precious trampoline towers with changing the way the tramps work? now they are something almost worthless, really just a joke to bounce dead bodies on. A lot of these changes are making the game less fun, "fixing" things that aren't broken. Why not focus on adding new things to the game instead of tweaking things that don't need it?

 

I meant this

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After playing a while, i found that since the update is ridiculous hard ,for a shitty player as myself, to gain coins fighting as knight.. Ive killed 3 guys in a triple-kill, it only gave me 60 coins. Ive killed 6-7 guys in one life ,wich is quite odd that i manage to do that, and only gave me 100 coins.. Really, i can't see what you are trying to do here.
Ive read a lot of "great uptade, less bomb spam", but you can still manage to farm coins as builder in a cheap- dishonourable way (you still could get more coins building random shit with 30stone/100wood resources than killing an enemy as knight, ive just tested it.) Fun fact is that builders dont really use coins necessarily, so why is easier for them to get coins?
And this gets together with the mine change: you hardly kill something with the mines now they last 1 year to deploy (most of the time they get destroyed or stealed since enemies can drink a coffe and read a book in the lapse the mine activates).
So it results as working really hard to buy something that now does not compensate the money you spend even when you kill something with it.

I really apreciate the work of the whole KAG team. but i don't think this update goes in the right direction to making the game funnier (or keeping it fun)

 

Garbage garbage garbage, screw the tramps, they were 'ok' before but now you can't even fight while holding one. Mines are whatever, pleb weapons anyways.

The real problem is this dumbass new coin system, great job m8's. it now takes 5-6 full health kills to afford maaayybbee 4 bombs. Bombs are a knights god damn bread and butter. It wasn't the easiest thing in the world to score 4 bombs before but now it's like they're power items cost wise. Everyone bitches and moans about bomb radius etc etc but you know how fucking hard it is to efficiently double (or triple) bomb jump over the enemy tower and then use your leftover bomb to damage it a bit? Now it's tiresome to even acquire enough bombs to try. Forward builder structures are so OP now it's stupid.

The bottom line is why in hell are two people who don't even spend any time at all playing the game the ones deciding on these god awful balance changes. The community has been almost unanimously against every change so pls stop ruining this shred of a game some of us stil play for fucks sake.

(Also every change has been anti knight, how bout get good plebs instead of nerfing the class?)

 

Its okay Geti we still love you:

 

@Verra's old comment that he deleted.

Not all the changes were a nerf to knights, but they were a nerf to fun . Only good change I've seen is the change to the coin system, which was incomplete (all you needed to do was just double what everything gives you before rolling out the update, I don't see the problem).

 

i saw the comment too and do not know why he deleted it. Either way the complaints towards verra's game activity is that if you dont actively play pub games you dont see how the objects actually work. For example, in a 5 vs 5 game with friends you could simply hop over mines and deal with the 1/2 enemy knights you have the fight. While in a 10 vs 10 with 4 or 5 mines scattered on the battlegrounds you would have more tedious jumping and difficulty playing. I havent played recently enough to give an opinion on the changes but i can get where tooth was coming from questioning whether the intern/new developers understand how the game is daily(because some people like tooth have no lives and just game on kag)

 

As if you have some deep rooted wisdom on kag fixes. Lets compromise, make bombs 10 coins.

 

Sorry for asking but why would we change the coin system anyways if everyone is reasonably happy with how it is ? Its been the same way for a long time and we've had no problems with it , new players already struggle heaps on getting coins , IMO this would literally make it even harder. Is there going to be changes on the building side as well?

 

This sounds perfectly reasonable

Edit - maybe make it 15 for a kill so you would still get a bomb for killing an archer at full hp, since if they kill you they would be able to buy 2 water or fire arrows with the loot.

 

so the knight's prices will be:
1 bomb = 1 kill (except for the archer as tooth said)
1 waterbomb = 1 knight kill / builder-archer + hit a 2nd one
1 mine = 2 knights / 3 archers / 2builders + hit a 3rd one
1 keg = 4 knights / 6 archers / 5 builders
ballista = 5 knights / 8 archers / 6 builders
All of above without counting the coin drop of dying. Wich ive never understood.
Am i right?

 

Full knight kill = 5*4 + 10 = 30c
Full builder kill = 5*3 + 10 = 25c
Full archer kill = 5*2 + 10 = 20c

You're right.

I think it's a fairly good idea. Newbie archers are pretty easy to kill as a knight, so they wouldn't become a coin machine.

 

How will damage under a heart be handled? (e.x. Builder's pickaxe) And if you kill someone with environmental damage (e.x. falling, collapses, drowning) that attribute you the kill, will you still receive the damage coins from however many hearts they had left?