Comments on Profile Post by dayleaf

its not universally asked for so why try to portray it that way? just wondering.

It's almost impossible to keep everyone happy with every tweak and change, i just want to know how irritating that is for him

I wonder who asked for a trapblock change... I did not see any posts about it. Probably a tester said it would be good.. and now we can see how good it is..

@RadioActive it was discussed at length in the announcement post for 1500 https://forum.kag2d.com/threads/build-1500.23630/ , it's not our fault if people only click on those threads after they're mad, not before.

@dayleaf quite, but I'm pretty used to it at this point. It's a hard balance figuring out who to listen to though.

and people repeatidly said they didnt like the idea of it. Me and @Chukka joined the testing ground server right after you announced that the new trapblocks were added there and i expressed irritation at how useless they were(but fuzzybluebaron *hinted* at me to stop posting in that thread complaints)

Anyway if you are refering to aye vs nay votes i think it would be fair to count all the posters who complained about the block idea being stupid as nay(this was before you asked for the vote)

EDIT: useless probally isnt the right word just less useful

Can confirm. I've disliked the change since BC modded it into flatmaps. It's a pain to rearm saws all the time and 1-way plats become a hazard to teammates. The fact of the matter is pubs will always fall into traps and then either:
a) Insult creator of trap
b) Break trap in order to escape
c) Sit in the trap repeating "help"

I understand you all were trying to solve trap block spam and I hope I am not offending you. I just don't think this is the right direction. In addition to the intended result, traps were also nerfed pretty heavily from their already expensive state.

I'm not saying it's the right direction either; they're likely to be removed in the next version.

It's just very telling about the way the average gamer communicates (and discouraging) when there's a build with a good 30 changes or so and >80% of the feedback I've received is in the form of shouting about "new trap blocks worse than useless and how could anyone possibly make this change and why wasn't I told".

Especially when this was one of the most documented experimental changes of the last 1000 builds, and even had a publicly testable pilot.

The main issue with them is the bug where you drop through regardless of button pushes, which I think is where most of people's dissatisfaction comes from, but I honestly don't care enough to go bug hunting in something that people are already shouting about, I've got better things to do with my time.

Yeah I agree. I'd be fine with it if you had to hold the button for 1 second or whatever to make sure it was intentional. A complete revert would probably be easier and save you from some expected "trap blocks are still cancer, fuck you geti".

Yea, i bet most of the feedback is anger at changing the game. It would probally be best and easiest to revert the change completely. Klok's idea of trap bridges keep amusing me more and more thinking about it though. making a 50 wood block that is a platform but you can fall thru by pressing into it or enemies touching it.

@Geti about "30 good changes and 1 bad", well the bad thing always "shines" more than the "good ones" as people are used to good tweaks and not bad ones.
However, i get surprised by how some people yell about those bad changes, because saying "i don't like the change, i would like it to be reverted" is harder to say than "the new tweak is totally bullshit, you ruined this game once again"

Geti that I don't like some changes does not mean I'm mad at you, trapblocks lol or anyone else ;]
Yes I did not read the posts in 1500 build thread, but this is because there were a lot of threads where people suggested some fixes/improvements and nothing has been done. I just get used to that and suggesting anything does not make sense for me. (don't be angry).

And by the way, now I just started to wonder about something else. Why testers did not tell you how good/bad this change is. I don't really know how testing things work but I thought this is what for you created this group - To test new things and get feedback.

Also Dayleaf is right. Bad things are much more easily noticed by people. And it's not only in gaming, but also in real life.
Btw. I probably did not say that before but I really appreciate all the bug fixes (the small ones, that are not visible in game) and also those not mentioned like double kill bug ;)

I understand that it's not necessarily indicative of how people feel, but dealing with it on a regular basis takes its toll. It's not so dire that I'm going to quit making games and become a monk but I definitely understand why MM keeps things more distant.

Re: the testing group - they did. As you can see from the thread opinions are not 100% one way or the other. The bugs were not noticed during testing games cause they seem to be most prevalent in like 10v10 chaos, dropping you into a trap right at the wrong moment.

They do provide feedback as needed, but their attention is definitely divided at the moment with trench run taking a fair bit of time away from them as well as myself.