[1057] Knights scaling walls infinitely?

I can wall climb a 3-block offset, but i don't know if i should mention the technique because exploiting it might mean removal. Takes lots of skill though.

 

Solid block, or down-facing bridge overhang? I normally try to do 4 blocks when there's sufficient supports to the tower.

 

Sufficient supports to the tower? i can do 4 block but 3 is more prevalent. a 3 down-facing bridge, nvr thought of that but ill try it out. and when i say 4 blocks, i dont mean a 2-block offset, then another 2-block offset

 

It's basically a replacement for shield towers, which should be a thing but they actually require a minimum level of cooperation and attention span that people just aren't capable of in pub matches. They're also slightly harder to maneuver in than classic KAG for whatever reason.

It can definitely have the feeling of being bullshit since it does give knights even more advantage in individual agility. Boulders are the same. It's just an object that was conceived of being used in a certain way but due to how it really works it's often used as a replacement for battering rams/archer melee, which can annoy people to no end.

 

You hit the nail on the head here. The game, while immensely fun, has some balance issues that are just flat out ignored. I refuse to play knight because of it. If you take the time to learn the basic mechanics of the class you can use exploits like this one and others to abuse the class and carry your team to victory. So it's not really a question of true skill so much as it is a matter of learning how to abuse an overpowered class. I think this is a key reason why the game has failed to garner a larger following. It's great but people get discouraged easily when they see a single class dominate all others in virtually every aspect of the game with the exception of constructing structures. I continue to hold out hope some of the issues will be addressed and some have, but minor ones really. Nevertheless, the game remains fun despite its flaws.

 

Tbh, it would be fun trying to shoot them down, be it cata, ballista, or bow, mounted and otherwise.
EDIT: imagine bomb jumping onto the cloud of floating enemy knights with a lit keg.....

 

No, it's not fun. If people are complaining about the knight's ability to slooooowly climb perfectly vertical towers, imagine two knights flying ridiculously high above an arrow's arc at normal movement speeds. It's not fun, it's gamebreaking and awful. We must never return to those dark days.

 

Eh, wallhumping is just as bad. Zeppelins required teamwork, whereas wallhumping just extends the destructive power of a single Knight even further by allowing them to invade the enemy base without even needing a bomb.

... You know what? I have to give my two cents. This is not directed at you, Klokinator; this is just me ranting.

The thing that annoys me most about this bug is how supporters of it reply to people who think it's unfair. They always say one of two things, and the first is build better.
Yeah, isn't that some crap. Build better, they say to the class that gets the least love in this entire game. Make overhangs. Yeah, you think there's time to make overhangs when there are four Knights attacking relentlessly and on top of their ridiculous bombjump mobility they can just float straight up towers?

The second thing they say is "it can be easily countered." Yeah, by putting a huge overhang on every structure, and I've just expressed how well that usually goes in the heat of battle. The other counter is attacking from above. But where does one have to be in order to attack from above? On the tower. Knights usually don't hang out on top of towers, let me tell you that. And Archers? Oh good, let's encourage Archers to do the thing that people hate the most - camp.

I'm convinced that removal of this glitch would only make the game better.

 

infinite wallclimb is retarded not because of high walls that you can just spike and call it a day but because of small, cheap ones that cannot afford to spend too many resources in attempts to block it

also i wouldn't try to listen to a "competitive" scene in a game where fundamental combat boils down to standing in one place and trying to kill the other team with projectiles

 

I agree with this 100%. Main bases are not going to get wallclimbed - they're too tall and too well-protected. It's the little defenses thrown up by builders that are just way too easily shrugged off by users of this glitch. It keeps builders from actually frontlining and really makes them useless as a class for anything other than turtling a prebuilt fortress.

 

2014-07-25 06:47:49: revision 9292 to 9298
[fixed] knight wall infinite jumping (you're welcome)




It's over guys

 

platform forward towers work pretty well. ive been trying to use them more and it seems to be getting picked up by the community as well. it only needs to be like 6 blocks high and it delays the opposition so much. a platform takes fucking 9 hits from a builder to break too.

 

First off, boundless love for you Geti and the dev insight you give to this stuff <3

If only to repeat what has been said already as knight players have practised to do the wall climbing technique which I would dare to say is difficult to pull off, builders have adapted their techniques in kind to always build platform overhangs on even hastily built frontline walls if ally knights and archers are able to buy them enough time with pushing back the enemy.

And to not go off topic but to compare this to the drill rushing discussions in some threads (which imo takes way less skill than knight wall jumping) once again I feel builders have adapted in their strategies with mixing platforms with stone and can counter such tactics regarded as overpowered to an effective degree.

Ofc I am not well versed in competitive game play as people such as Ej and Nighthawk, but I think we should keep something in game which encourages players to practice and learn interesting techniques. Especially considering there is a current ingame strategy that potentially counters it rather than going straight to the need of tweaking the build :)