[1215] Archers

I said I can deal with 5 archers at a time, meaning I stop them from doing stuff (I also didn't say pro archers that know everything either). It doesn't take much effort (1 or 2 bombs) to make them scatter and retreat and not get yourself killed. Just because you see one archer doesn't mean you have to chase him through the entire map and kill him, he isn't worth your effort. If I have teammates with me, it's usually really easy to take down a team of archers. It sounds to me like you're just trying to kill everything without the assistance of your team. So let me ask you who should win: a team of archers working together, or #foreveralone knight who thinks he can win even when he's outnumbered?

 

Re: why did I write "archers might be too strong" - knights got a handful of reasonably significant "nerfs", archers didn't. They got a couple of small changes like the spec arrow stuff and decreased stun range, but compared to the mobility drops and attacking rebalance that knights got it wasn't exactly proportional.

Can confirm that next build archers get a change that should help prevent the reasonably mindless legolas barrages - all 3 arrows are fired at the same time, with a deterministic spread (instead of RNG as each one is fired). This means that you can't put 3 arrows streaming into one spot without them being individually charged, and gives some more interesting CQC (if you miss with your overcharge, you are forced to retreat instead of having 2 more shots to play with). We'll see how it plays out, I'm quite happy with how its seemed in testing though.

 

@Fuzzle: We've got half of them (at least the US based ones) as testers.

Being able to damage through shields is the point of overcharge. They can also cleanly 1-hit builders and archers with it, but need to be in range - the main thing it's aimed at preventing is spamming streams of arrows from towers - if you want to do that you're encouraged to use single shots and actually aim each one individually.

 

Lets take a closer look, shall we?

Malitha - not a tester
Kedram - only recently a tester
Asumagic - not a tester
Fernegulus - not a tester
8x - not a tester
SlayerSean - not a tester
SpideY - not a tester
Rayne - a tester
NinjaCell - not a tester
Auburn - not a tester
Skinney - a tester
So first page positive replies cap 8/11 not testers; hardly a majority there. The likes on the OP are 18/23 (not testers/total).

Neither of these are conclusive or anything, but you seem to be heavily implying that what we do is just for the testers or that we don't have a diverse array of testers. You also seem to be implying that the testers are silencing or otherwise suppressing the opinions of anyone who disagrees with their views. You're wrong on both counts, and it'd be polite for you to be forthcoming about your views rather than passive aggressive, and perhaps get informed on what goes on behind the scenes before pointing fingers.

We're well aware you personally didn't like the changes in 1215 - however, the aggregate opinion we've observed is positive about the changes, and the desired effect of the changes (more teamwork, more important structures, stronger builder presence in the field, fewer solo-only slash heavy knights) have been observed as well.

Note that if we didn't make changes based on "a few (maybe a bunch) people might not like it" we would never be able to make any change to the game at all, for any reason. I've addressed this separately here. You've said yourself that these are balance focused changes - if you are interested in the game's greater good, you will agree that achieving greater overall balance is in the best interests of every competitive or casual player.

 

He cares if you can actually provide feedback that lets him know what exactly it is that you dislike about the game, and whether or not a lot of people agree with your opinion. he doesn't care if you just say "i no like it pls no change".

 

Pretty sure I already said this somewhere but stabs DO interrupt archers. It resets their arrow charge, cancels their grapple, and I think even interrupts their momentum.

 

This, jabs aren't really a stun. They don't even stun knights for any noticeable length. All they do is cancel whatever you're doing. It's still really annoying for archers mostly because they're easy to kill, but if you get close enough to get jabbed chances are you were going to die anyway.