[203] Lack of skilled archers

I really don't understand what u mean

 

this threads last post was 4th of march

its about build 203 which was a time of nerfed archers and isn't similar to archers nowdays

 

What he meant was that the build is outdated and has no relevance to the current build and changes.
No post would be relevent to topic anymore.

 

Well still, the lack of skill in archers is still rampant. The exact reasoning why Wyeth said they're unskilled in their inability to use structures to arrow spam is now the most goddamn prevalent problem in this game. It occurs far too much and is ridiculously annoying.

 

Then we shall fight in the shade

Or in tunnels...

 

I believe the way archers work right now fits the theme both tactically and mechanically. For those unaware, archers are always placed at the rear of the line to thin out the oncoming wave for the knights positioned in front of them. A rain of arrows would be a typical tactic. So, as annoying as it can be, it is very commonly effective tactic but it isn't economical since you consume more arrows than you would hit. since you get 5 gold per hit, 10 per kill. Especially when used properly. Charged shots would always take care of the shields if there is another archer standing next to you. it's OP.

The lighting engine has turned me into an assassin at night and in the tunnels, I love it.

But you're right, it's a difficult task to balance without penalizing the archers massively.

 

My biggest issue is the 5+ archers spamming arrows with a knight to take out shields. It's a slaughterhouse and in my opinion, a weak tactic.

 

I admit to being a baaaaaad archer :D but thats because im not use to how you fire in this game
instead of gravity/power you get 3 settings low medium and high tis confusing to me

 

I've been really against archers my entire KAG career, but I've really been trying lately to become an adequate archer. I'll play on public servers to get some practice like Beo's and others. It's frustrating, especially because when you get used to the arcs and stuff, it's a little too easy. Same with arrow spam. I've had dozens of people argue with me that arrow spam is a, "legitimate tactic," and requires good hand/eye coordination... In reality, all it takes is the right rhythm. Hold click for like half a second, let go, half second, let go, half second, let go. Wash, rinse, repeat.

 

I like the general idea of arrow spam which is, I assume, that as the arrow falls from a higher height gravity makes it hit harder. But making it deal additional damage if you're above the target, no matter how much higher you are, is kind of crazy. There should be a specific height where arrows deal the extra .5 hearts on a target, high enough that you cant jump from tree to tree like tarzan and spam 1 heart weak arrows like a maniac, but low enough so that you can spam 1h arrows at the base of a standard tower so don't nerf it to oblivion.. Heck, you could probably even differentiate the damage so you deal 1 heart above no matter what for a weak arrow to a builder/archer but only one heart when, for example, 10 tiles above a knight. That would be pretty fair ;o

 

But it does ;o

A weak arrow deals .5 damage and 1 damage if you're above an opponent which I assume is because of gravity. Kinda like the good ol' watermelon and basketball experiment in highschool

I guess I should add the caveat that more diagonal shots from above sometimes don't deal the extra damage.

Edit: Yea, and jak is right about that too. it is pretty evident shooting at a very high sky bridge from below that gravity does effect the power of arrows, as a full power shot from below sometimes won't penetrate a trap bridge if it's high enough.

Edit part deux: I guess it was preemptive of me to assume that people complaining about arrow spam were immediately referring to its additional damage on height, but I just guessed that no one would really care about the spam if it only did .5 damage as a medium shot essentially does the same amount for the same amount of time spent drawing the arrow (maybe less?)

 

When firing up at someone or arcing a shot, if the arrow reaches the peak of the arc and starts falling it will do less damage if it hits someone if it doesn't fall for very longin my experience. This has happened to me with fully charged shots when firing at people on sky bridges. The arrow also travels a little bit slower, so if not gravity arrow speed defiantly has something to do with damage and gravity definantly affects arrow speed.

 

I'm 1000000% sure it effects damage. Simple test is play as archer for like 30 minutes and pay attention to the damage values. Shoot people under a tower and they melt like butter on the equator