Action! Unlimited

Catapults aren't modifiable.

This is not fixable by configs alone.

The reason being, the game just "assigns" you an inventory, so whatever isn't in the inventory normally gets overwritten.

I know, I hate it too.

 

But rayne, they did it on the saiyan server you liar

 

I'm going to guess that arrows then effect catapult damage, which is dumb.

 

CHANGES APPLIED, GIVE ME SOME FUCKING FEEDBACK YOOOO

 

slower? you mean the drawtime? that hasn't changed..

 

Are arrows still able to break shields, or is that just a problem on my side? I was firing point blank at full charge into an enemy shield, but no breaking.

 

No, archers dont break shields anymore, this is because 2 synced archers at the top of a tower makes it literally impossible to scale. This way, archers either have to stomp to break shields or wait til the knight moves.

I've been able to get 27:3 like this, so i think it works well.
</br>--- merged: Dec 7, 2012 5:56 PM ---</br>

It's barely longer, and you now 1h ko other archers with full shot.

 

At the top of a tower isn't the only place archers use the shield break. In tunnels, as an archer, I can work with a knight of builder to take out the now stronger attacking knight who's trying to kill me. I could also stop him from throwing a bomb into my face through stunning his shield, but now the only way to stop that bomb whilst he has his shield up is to either jump on his head, which is suicide, or slash him as a knight, which also becomes suicide.

 

Holy shit you guys are mad,archers are still p.strong (2heart shot), can't break your shields means that they are blockable but only if the knight is paying attention, this rewards positioning properly between archer/knight to get one on each side of the person or for the ARCHER to look for the opening instead of just making it.

It's way fucking better.

 

Rather than some disembodied snippets of feedback, I guess I should pop a wee chunk of general stuff I've thought about since playing archer, in relation to knight, on the server. Before I start, I want to say that, though I don't mind what you've changed too much (in that I can still play reasonably well with the changes), I prefered the vanilla archer that used to be.

Firstly, unlike Warrfork, I personally have had no problem with the new fire-rate and, to a slightly lesser degree, range. I find the fire rate to be a good counter to the default spam that is the general final defence of the archer in trouble. The shortened range of the full power shot has taken a fair bit of getting used to, but I can understand it in the context of the server.

The damage is a different matter in my opinion. A quarter of a heart seems far too low for the damage of even the low powered arrows, where I might prefer a simple 1/2 a heart, since shots at that rate are easily shielded by a knight. It would take 16 shots at that damage to kill a single knight at this time, and that is if he is an unresistant sitting duck at point blank range. On the other end of the spectrum, the 2-heart shot seems to powerful, because it not only reduces significantly the fun when fighting an archer due to the 1-hit kill, it causes builders to suffer as well, making them more vulnerable to arrows and easier pickings after being reduced to 1 heart in a single hit.
This is coupled with the heart increase in knights; though I can understand that their resilience was increased (along with their slash damage) in reflection of the 2-heart arrow, it seems to act more as a plain buff against all other classes than a balancing action. Primarily, it has an effect on builders, who are even more hard-pressed when fighting against their now stronger enemies. Secondly, it allows them to kill archers with a single slash in close combat, where they might have had even some opportunity to run previously.
In reference to these problems, I might suggest reducing the high-power arrow to 1.5 hearts of damage once again, and the knight to 3 hearts with 1.5 hearts of damage in their slash, effectively reverting a portion of your changes. This would mean that archers are no longer just slightly irritating pincushions in the battlefield, whilst builders aren't punished all around. Knights would still be more resilient to archer attacks, due to the general damage threshold being reduced overall.

My last point at this time is to do with shield breaking. In most situations where an archer needs to break a shield, the knight is paying attention; for example, beneath archers on a wall, or, as I said before, in a tunnel with any opponent.
The enemy knight has easy ways to counter the problem of shield-breaking, namely, have a second knight with you to support you.
For an archer, it is difficult to exploit a shield break you caused, because their shield is back up before you can cause your 1/4 heart of damage in CQ situations. If you want to do damage in these situations, it's best to have another player with you to help, otherwise you're likely to be very much screwed.
This change is the one which I like least, because it takes a knight that already has had additional strength scooped onto it, and allows them to be essentially immune to any kind of archer fire when they put their shield up. As I said before, stomping is often not possible, unless you have a fairly significant height advantage, leaving the only current counter to shields being a knight, a catapult, or dropping a ton of stone on their head. The later two are clearly excessive in the normal situation of being on the battlefield, rather than in a tower, and the first puts even more emphasis on knights.
The only way I could really even slightly understand this change is if the knights hadn't gained extra hearts, but they have and so I'm left feeling that knights have had all the love applied to them, leaving archers, and to a different extent, builders, feeling very much unloved.

I can't think of much else at this time, but I would be happy to discuss what I've said here. We could use a pm so as not to clutter up this thread to excess if prefered.

*awaits shitstorm*

 

noted.
I'd rather not change the healths back to default, knight combat is fun, we're trying to make all classes fun.

I was also thinking how builders are kinda fucked, so i was thinking of giving them 4 hearts to compensate.

I dont understand why you think 1 hit ko isn't fun, have you never been in the situation where this one faggot archer always heals after each hit? it's fuckign bullshit, and there's no practical way to stop this.

EDIT: I'll go ahead and make a conversation out balancing the classes.